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hello and welcome to the show on Martin

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Willis your host and we have another

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great show for you this evening I'm

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excited about it and I want to welcome

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everyone this week's guest is Shane Ryan

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I would consider him like a lead

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investigator on our researcher into the

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1966 Westall UFO incident I has several

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different names the Westall Flying

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Saucer incident things like that but

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anyway it is a school another schoolyard

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sighting very very interesting long and

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with a cover-up and all kinds of very

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interesting things happen throughout

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that a little bit of housekeeping first

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first of all I want to thank everyone

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that helps out with the show anyone can

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support the show and we're also on

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anyone signs up at podcast UFO comm

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there's also the feed there and archives

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that goes way back so as I said a little

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housekeeping I get a lot of email every

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week about Alejandro everyone's worried

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about Eleanor which i think is nice so I

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well he's just he's got so much going on

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tonight as well but he couldn't make

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tonight's show he says he's just not up

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to date with what's going on in UFOs

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hasn't been paying attention to much but

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he said to his listeners of open minds

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which I do help him out with he had a

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nice interview and recently he's going

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to be posting that soon so keep your eye

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out for that for those of you who listen

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to the open minds show a t-shirts and

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stuff we have do we have a new new site

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on our website actually a merchandise

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store or whatever you want to call it

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UFO comm that has a great t-shirts

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there's two different types of graphics

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you can choose from and one works really

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well with dark shirts and one works with

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either or light or dark and as well as

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shirts as other products over there -

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all with the podcast UFO graphic on them

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very nice graphic by the way in Diane

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cash made that beautiful job

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so we also have a blog over at our

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about guess what the Westall UFO Charles

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Leah wrote an article blog about that

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incident so you can read up on that if

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you're if you want more information

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that's on the website as well the next

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me next week I have a big job in my

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career that I'd actually do and I'm not

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going to be able to do a live show next

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week so you know I'm gonna try to figure

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that out so if you're watching live on

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out Tuesday nights the same as always

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live on YouTube or not

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O'Brien for next week but he just

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west coast so he's not able to be on the

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I might be out of stuff to talk about

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and that's plenty and anyway I'm going

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to now invite our guest welcome to the

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show Shane hello and motts and all the

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way over there in - lovely to see you

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again that's right yeah we're doing the

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time travel here you're actually in

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Wednesday right means less Dateline yeah

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exactly and you know

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was this month six years ago that we

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last chatted on your show I can't

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believe was it by six yes

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yeah December 2013 six years ago yeah I

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can't the label that time has passed

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I know I know and wasn't 2016 was the

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50th anniversary right that was kind of

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a that's right exactly so when I started

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this research I was actually a brunette

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and I didn't need spectacles so you're

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now looking at what happens when you do

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14 years of UFO research into one single

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UFO story this is what it does to you

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you're looking right yeah so but before

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we get into that also I just wanted to

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talk quickly a you're not really that

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far you know I brought this up a few

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times with people in California but

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you're not too far from the fires right

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we're very close to where the fires are

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happening so we've had an extremely

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early start to the bushfire season in

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Australia this year it actually started

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don't get really any serious bush fires

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until late December early January so

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well into summer so I think what's

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happening is it's really analogous to

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what happened in California in in in

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there autumn and when they were getting

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very bad bush fires

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unseasonally in terms of time and the

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extremity of the fires that were

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happening in California were terrible of

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course and we're getting it here now in

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Australian Capital Territory which is

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surrounded by New South Wales quite

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similar to the District of Columbia in

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America but we're close to where the

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fires are as well and many of our big

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cities like Brisbane and Sydney camera

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are being shrouded with bushfire smoke

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the highest city in Australia

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health people the medical people are

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terrible Wow and not as far as the crow

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Maine so I'm in Canberra and where this

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eight hours drive but yes not very far

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talk about so let's let's first of all I

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think before I get into the incident

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itself just I want to find out did you

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have an interest in UFOs yourself prior

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to this case or is this what

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are looking at them well as everyone

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says that's a long and convoluted story

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think often boys perhaps more than girls

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little bit of an interest in things like

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UFOs and space and and and mysterious

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things and you know I can actually try

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to sit back quite specifically to when I

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department store and I can remember one

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day wandering in and on a stand was a

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series of books world mysteries and one

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of the titles was about ghosts and one

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of the titles was about monsters and one

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UFOs and I picked it up and was lavishly

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Illustrated all these wonderful color

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pictures not photographs but there was

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some photographs with only pictures

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illustrations and there were some what I

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now know to be quite well known cases

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mentioned in the book like the Kelly

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Hall case I think the kasich helped to

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give rise to the the term little green

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man and the Thomas Mantell incident

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Thomas Mantell of course he'll remember

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was shot down chasing some

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thing over the skies of Kentucky I think

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it was back in the 1950s so there was

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some of these classic so-called UFO

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cases and I was fascinated and so I

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bought the one about UFOs I bought the

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one about ghosts and I think I left the

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one about monsters on the shelf because

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I think that was just a little bit too

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frightening and I took them home and I

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think that's where it started and also

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of course at that time on television

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shows like Project Blue Book

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Book I think it was sometimes called

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Project UFO in America yeah project UFO

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televised in Australia was called

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Project Blue Book and and I watched that

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course there was the wonderful program

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in search of hosted by the late Leonard

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Nimoy yeah and it was all fascinating to

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fascinating for me was my father had

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really an unseen world as well as a seen

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world and as a child I think I was

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rather impressionable and and impressed

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by that but because I'd had a father but

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my father had passed away

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and he was now gone from me I felt well

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there must be this other world where

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things aren't immediately visible and I

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think that played into where this

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perhaps all began but of course that was

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when I was a child and also

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and graduated from secondary school and

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went to university and started work

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those things got left behind as they do

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because you get involved in work and all

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the demands of being an adult and so I

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really sort of pushed all those things

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aside and didn't really think about the

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UFO subject again until I moved from my

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hometown Shepperton and went down to

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Melbourne to start my university study

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then went to a university called Monash

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University which as it turned out is

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only about five ten kilometers maybe not

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even that up the road from Westall but I

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had no idea about Westall at the time

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but what did happen was I was doing a

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bit of University I started that I was

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actually doing a degree in Japanese

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studies because in the intervening years

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I'd been sent to Japan as an exchange

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student by the Rotary International

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Rotary organization and had come back

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from living in Japan for a year very

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interested in Japanese culture Japanese

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language Japanese politics and started a

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degree at Monash University in Japanese

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but very what's the word I guess it's

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sort of happenstance I found a place to

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live near the university with a lady who

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was just beginning to retire from her

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long career at that time as an infant

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welfare nurse in Melbourne and she had

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been for a few years hosting university

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students at her home as boarders both

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Australian students and students from

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other countries and I was in search of a

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place to stay

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and so I ended up becoming a boarder at

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her house and we became good friends

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over the years that I lived with her and

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she happened to mention to me one day

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that she had a couple of friends who

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knew about a flying saucer incident

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which had happened up the road from

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where we were living again only about 15

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kilometers away

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at a place called Westall which i never

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inner never even heard of and she told

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me the bare bones of the story she

331
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didn't know a great deal about it but

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simply that this school we're still high

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school and the school next door the West

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Allstate primary stall had been involved

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in this mass sighting of a flying saucer

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and that hundreds of people had seen it

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kids had seen it some of the teachers

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were involved some of the local

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residents were involved and she knew

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this from from from these friends of

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hers and so she told me the story and we

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actually I remember doing this we

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actually did a drive in her car we went

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over to Westall and we drove around the

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perimeter of the school and we didn't

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know what we were doing or what we were

347
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looking at of course we were just going

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for a drive and then we drove back home

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to her house where I was living and

350
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pretty much forgot about it except for

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the fact that at some point afterwards I

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came across a book by an Australian

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author a fella called John Pinckney who

354
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had a long career as a newspaper

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reporter and an author in Australia and

356
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John also had a strong interest in UFOs

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and the paranormal and things that were

358
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a little bit unusual mystery stories

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unsolved murders people who had

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disappeared and he penned several books

361
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over the years on that topic and I

362
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happened to pick up one of those books

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this is the one actually called a

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paranormal file by John pickney and I

365
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opened it up and lo and behold there

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were a couple of sections in the book

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about Westall like this one the saucer

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that shocked a school and just a few

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pages two and a half pages and then

370
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there was another small section students

371
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punished for discussing the Westall UFO

372
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and so I read these sections in his book

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and of course it confirmed some of the

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details

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my friend had heard from her friends and

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that was the end of it for me because I

377
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was working I'd done some university and

378
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then I went back over to Japan to live

379
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and did some more university study there

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and completely forgot about the Western

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story just didn't think of it at all

382
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until years later many years later in

383
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fact it was 2005 when my friend who had

384
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told me this story had actually by that

385
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stage passed away and I was looking

386
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around for a story to write a book about

387
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I was having an early midlife crisis I

388
00:19:03,800 --> 00:19:01,500
think and I wanted to pen a book

389
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something I've had several by the way

390
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yeah

391
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that's rapid and I was particularly

392
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interested in writing a book that would

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be read by children and young adults

394
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teenagers and I don't know how it came

395
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into my mind it popped into my mind and

396
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I don't know from where or how I

397
00:19:29,450 --> 00:19:25,980
remembered this story a story about a

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UFO incident that had happened in a

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couple of schools have been witnessed by

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all of these people young people and and

401
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some adults and I thought to myself well

402
00:19:43,610 --> 00:19:41,490
a lot of what I've heard not that I had

403
00:19:46,100 --> 00:19:43,620
heard very much about it is probably not

404
00:19:48,230 --> 00:19:46,110
true it's probably partly an urban

405
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legend and there must have been a

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cretians to the story and things that

407
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had been perhaps made up not maliciously

408
00:19:58,580 --> 00:19:55,770
but just as these things happen over

409
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time so I thought well I'll do a little

410
00:20:04,250 --> 00:20:01,740
bit of research and I set up a yahoo

411
00:20:06,860 --> 00:20:04,260
groups website this is way back before

412
00:20:08,450 --> 00:20:06,870
social media before Facebook when Yahoo

413
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groups is one of the way four main ways

414
00:20:12,290 --> 00:20:09,660
that you could make contact with people

415
00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:12,300
right over the internet and in my

416
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innocence and naivety I set up this

417
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:17,490
yahoo groups website put it out into

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cyberspace and to see what would happen

419
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and some people noticed it and they got

420
00:20:30,230 --> 00:20:25,470
some people contacting

421
00:20:33,049 --> 00:20:30,240
me about the story and I actually had a

422
00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:33,059
couple of articles posted printed in a

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couple of the local newspapers around

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Westall and that led to quite a response

425
00:20:43,310 --> 00:20:41,190
from people people who did actually as I

426
00:20:45,770 --> 00:20:43,320
was hoping they would remembered the

427
00:20:48,649 --> 00:20:45,780
story and had actually been involved in

428
00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:48,659
the story and one witness led to three

429
00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:50,610
and in three led to six and six led to

430
00:20:56,990 --> 00:20:53,250
twelve and it went on like that and then

431
00:20:59,120 --> 00:20:57,000
the science editor of the Maine

432
00:21:02,360 --> 00:20:59,130
broadsheet newspaper in Melbourne a

433
00:21:05,090 --> 00:21:02,370
newspaper called the Aged saw the story

434
00:21:07,850 --> 00:21:05,100
and he for some reason was quite

435
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:07,860
interested in it and he contacted me and

436
00:21:16,340 --> 00:21:10,490
that led to an almost full page article

437
00:21:19,370 --> 00:21:16,350
back in 2005 about the Westall story and

438
00:21:22,960 --> 00:21:19,380
from there it just sort of bloomed and

439
00:21:27,820 --> 00:21:22,970
blossomed and more people contacted me

440
00:21:30,230 --> 00:21:27,830
but and that eventually led to a

441
00:21:32,029 --> 00:21:30,240
filmmaker in Melbourne by the name of

442
00:21:34,399 --> 00:21:32,039
Rosie Jones a very accomplished

443
00:21:38,330 --> 00:21:34,409
filmmaker seeing that story because

444
00:21:41,180 --> 00:21:38,340
she's a reader of the age newspaper and

445
00:21:44,450 --> 00:21:41,190
she happened to come across the article

446
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:44,460
she contacted me she flew up to milk to

447
00:21:48,740 --> 00:21:46,530
Canberra from Melbourne we sat down

448
00:21:51,409 --> 00:21:48,750
I remember we we had our meeting in the

449
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:51,419
National Film and Sound Archive building

450
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:53,490
in Canberra was very a lovely building

451
00:21:58,490 --> 00:21:54,960
and a lovely setting very appropriate

452
00:22:00,200 --> 00:21:58,500
for Rosie as as a filmmaker and I simply

453
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:00,210
told her the story as I understood it

454
00:22:04,640 --> 00:22:03,240
and what my interest was and she went

455
00:22:06,620 --> 00:22:04,650
back to Melbourne thought about it for a

456
00:22:09,500 --> 00:22:06,630
couple of weeks contacted me and said

457
00:22:11,890 --> 00:22:09,510
Shane it's an interesting story and I'm

458
00:22:14,360 --> 00:22:11,900
interested in it from a couple of angles

459
00:22:17,810 --> 00:22:14,370
would you be interested in participating

460
00:22:20,390 --> 00:22:17,820
in a documentary film about it and about

461
00:22:23,090 --> 00:22:20,400
your research in it and again in my

462
00:22:25,399 --> 00:22:23,100
innocence in my naivety and and perhaps

463
00:22:27,980 --> 00:22:25,409
lack of modesty I said sure that sounds

464
00:22:31,730 --> 00:22:27,990
like a wonderful idea and that's what

465
00:22:34,190 --> 00:22:31,740
led to the the 2010 film being broadcast

466
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:34,200
on the Australian sci-fi channel west or

467
00:22:39,230 --> 00:22:37,890
66th oh oh yeah the suburban UFO mystery

468
00:22:42,710 --> 00:22:39,240
I believe that's up on

469
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:42,720
you tube if I'm if I'm not mistaken now

470
00:22:48,860 --> 00:22:46,260
I believe it is because I think I

471
00:22:50,330 --> 00:22:48,870
watched that a while back we only have

472
00:22:52,610 --> 00:22:50,340
about two minutes before we're going

473
00:22:55,610 --> 00:22:52,620
into the break so we just have to keep

474
00:22:59,210 --> 00:22:55,620
that in mind but I did want to start

475
00:23:03,910 --> 00:22:59,220
talking about the story itself was April

476
00:23:06,799 --> 00:23:03,920
6 or something like that 1960s right

477
00:23:09,700 --> 00:23:06,809
yeah but again we only have about a

478
00:23:12,260 --> 00:23:09,710
minute so I think what I'm gonna do is

479
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:12,270
hopefully I'll just go right into the

480
00:23:17,030 --> 00:23:14,250
break now and we'll talk about the

481
00:23:18,890 --> 00:23:17,040
incident itself when we come back so

482
00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:18,900
hang in everyone we'll be right back

483
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:29,850
right after these messages and we're

484
00:23:34,640 --> 00:23:32,010
clear Martin all right how much time we

485
00:23:35,560 --> 00:23:34,650
have just under four minutes all right

486
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:35,570
very good

487
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:38,850
all right so Shane we are still live as

488
00:23:45,860 --> 00:23:41,370
I mentioned to you prior so we're still

489
00:23:47,210 --> 00:23:45,870
alive on on YouTube currently and so at

490
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:47,220
this time I usually talk about a

491
00:23:54,919 --> 00:23:51,510
different different topic and so I am

492
00:23:58,820 --> 00:23:54,929
wondering if you can talk about the UFO

493
00:24:00,290 --> 00:23:58,830
groups that are in I know there's the

494
00:24:03,410 --> 00:24:00,300
Victoria group I actually entered

495
00:24:04,820 --> 00:24:03,420
interviewed some representatives from

496
00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:04,830
that had a great time with them and

497
00:24:09,650 --> 00:24:07,170
Phoenix last year they were there and

498
00:24:12,770 --> 00:24:09,660
not last year a few months ago in

499
00:24:15,799 --> 00:24:12,780
September I had a really wonderful time

500
00:24:18,980 --> 00:24:15,809
with that group there and but are there

501
00:24:23,900 --> 00:24:18,990
a lot of other like active groups on

502
00:24:28,490 --> 00:24:23,910
UFOs there are some I think the the era

503
00:24:29,230 --> 00:24:28,500
of the UFO groups is not as strong as it

504
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:29,240
once was

505
00:24:35,060 --> 00:24:32,010
so I think obviously going back to the

506
00:24:39,110 --> 00:24:35,070
1950s 60s 70s and in the early part of

507
00:24:41,390 --> 00:24:39,120
the 1980s there were a lot of UFO groups

508
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:41,400
based in the various states of Australia

509
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:43,290
and often they would meet in in the

510
00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:45,330
state capital cities which in Australia

511
00:24:49,010 --> 00:24:47,490
unlike the American tradition all of our

512
00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:49,020
state and territory capital cities are

513
00:24:52,730 --> 00:24:51,330
the largest cities and so that's where

514
00:24:55,190 --> 00:24:52,740
most people live and

515
00:24:59,330 --> 00:24:55,200
the meetings were generally held there I

516
00:25:01,400 --> 00:24:59,340
sense and and of course they were men

517
00:25:03,290 --> 00:25:01,410
they were very much into UFO research

518
00:25:07,100 --> 00:25:03,300
but they were also they were social

519
00:25:09,290 --> 00:25:07,110
groups they support groups and they were

520
00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:09,300
brief and a little bit like a service

521
00:25:15,590 --> 00:25:13,770
club or a church or or some other social

522
00:25:17,720 --> 00:25:15,600
organization they were very much about

523
00:25:20,930 --> 00:25:17,730
coming together talking about the latest

524
00:25:23,360 --> 00:25:20,940
sightings discussing research but having

525
00:25:25,060 --> 00:25:23,370
a cup of tea and a scone and a cake and

526
00:25:27,530 --> 00:25:25,070
and maybe doing the occasional

527
00:25:31,340 --> 00:25:27,540
occasional excursion and going on a

528
00:25:33,650 --> 00:25:31,350
field trip and with the passage of time

529
00:25:36,380 --> 00:25:33,660
and the advent of social media and the

530
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:36,390
internet and that's all broken down a

531
00:25:42,049 --> 00:25:39,290
little bit which in a way is a little

532
00:25:43,520 --> 00:25:42,059
but the groups still exist they've

533
00:25:45,950 --> 00:25:43,530
morphed a little bit over the years into

534
00:25:47,360 --> 00:25:45,960
different formats but of course the myth

535
00:25:51,049 --> 00:25:47,370
the group you mentioned the Victorian

536
00:25:54,049 --> 00:25:51,059
UFO action group in Victoria based in

537
00:25:56,540 --> 00:25:54,059
Melbourne it's in a way replaced an

538
00:25:59,000 --> 00:25:56,550
earlier organisation which had existed

539
00:26:01,250 --> 00:25:59,010
previously to that there's another group

540
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:01,260
in New South Wales and in Queensland

541
00:26:05,530 --> 00:26:03,690
perhaps smaller groups in Tasmania and

542
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:05,540
South Australia and Western Australia

543
00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:07,650
but a lot of the way people communicate

544
00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:10,770
these days is of course like this like

545
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:13,140
we're doing over huge boob and the

546
00:26:17,780 --> 00:26:15,900
internet and Facebook but I think those

547
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:17,790
groups still have a important role to

548
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:20,730
play and I've certainly appreciated the

549
00:26:26,930 --> 00:26:23,760
support the Victorian UFO action group

550
00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:26,940
have shown me in recent years they've

551
00:26:34,100 --> 00:26:30,330
very much taken on the West or story as

552
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:34,110
one of their celebrated stories yeah and

553
00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:36,690
and and some of the members of the group

554
00:26:42,020 --> 00:26:39,179
are researching it as well and they've

555
00:26:43,940 --> 00:26:42,030
always been very supportive of me yeah

556
00:26:47,090 --> 00:26:43,950
and have a nice day couple of events

557
00:26:50,270 --> 00:26:47,100
over recent years - to talk about it

558
00:26:53,890 --> 00:26:50,280
right I think when I was a meeting first

559
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:53,900
with Ben hurl and a few other people in

560
00:26:59,690 --> 00:26:56,970
Phoenix they some one message you

561
00:27:01,580 --> 00:26:59,700
messaged you right away because I had

562
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:01,590
your old email address I had been trying

563
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:04,020
to reach you and it was not you were not

564
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:06,330
getting the emails and so I was that's

565
00:27:09,740 --> 00:27:07,679
but actually made this connection and

566
00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:09,750
here we are I think we're ready to go

567
00:27:15,049 --> 00:27:11,850
okay we're ready to go here to art

568
00:27:17,990 --> 00:27:15,059
standby programs all free and available

569
00:27:23,490 --> 00:27:18,000
to download in Google Play or the iTunes

570
00:27:28,330 --> 00:27:23,500
App Store this is my cast UFO

571
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:31,669
okay here we go Martin in five four

572
00:27:39,289 --> 00:27:36,240
three two all right everyone welcome

573
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:39,299
back my guest this evening is Shane Ryan

574
00:27:46,070 --> 00:27:41,850
from Australia we're talking about the

575
00:27:49,159 --> 00:27:46,080
Westall UFO incident or Westall UFO has

576
00:27:51,470 --> 00:27:49,169
many names like I mentioned and let's

577
00:27:55,070 --> 00:27:51,480
talk about the incident exactly what

578
00:27:57,140 --> 00:27:55,080
happened it's it's it's quite amazing

579
00:28:00,110 --> 00:27:57,150
actually when the amount of witnesses

580
00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:00,120
and and and all that so if you would go

581
00:28:06,700 --> 00:28:02,330
over exactly what happened on April 6

582
00:28:09,620 --> 00:28:06,710
1966 Schewel Mountain thank you for that

583
00:28:11,870 --> 00:28:09,630
it's an important incident because it

584
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:11,880
did happen as you mentioned on the 6th

585
00:28:21,169 --> 00:28:17,610
of April in 1966 and unlike I guess most

586
00:28:23,900 --> 00:28:21,179
UFO incidents this was unusual in that

587
00:28:27,500 --> 00:28:23,910
it happened in broad daylight it was

588
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:27,510
about 10:15 in the morning when it first

589
00:28:34,159 --> 00:28:31,049
happened and it happened in front of

590
00:28:37,370 --> 00:28:34,169
literally hundreds of people so

591
00:28:41,030 --> 00:28:37,380
initially it was in front of the two

592
00:28:43,460 --> 00:28:41,040
classes of kids who are doing physical

593
00:28:46,460 --> 00:28:43,470
education classes on the sports ground

594
00:28:49,310 --> 00:28:46,470
at Westall high school and Westall by

595
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:49,320
the way to about 21 kilometers southeast

596
00:28:53,390 --> 00:28:50,970
of the central business district the

597
00:28:57,230 --> 00:28:53,400
center of Melbourne so at that time in

598
00:29:00,289 --> 00:28:57,240
1966 a suburban area but on the fringe

599
00:29:02,590 --> 00:29:00,299
so it was partially suburban and rapidly

600
00:29:05,990 --> 00:29:02,600
becoming more so but it was also

601
00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:06,000
partially still country semi

602
00:29:10,460 --> 00:29:08,700
agricultural so mixed in around the

603
00:29:12,260 --> 00:29:10,470
houses and some of the factories and

604
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:12,270
shops that were being built was still

605
00:29:20,409 --> 00:29:17,010
market garden areas farms and so it was

606
00:29:22,669 --> 00:29:20,419
a mixture of both city and country but

607
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:22,679
it was an incident that happened in

608
00:29:27,890 --> 00:29:24,290
front of a large number of people

609
00:29:30,799 --> 00:29:27,900
initially those two groups during PE on

610
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:30,809
the sports ground but then when the

611
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:35,940
recess bell went that then involved

612
00:29:41,450 --> 00:29:38,580
literally almost the entire poppy

613
00:29:43,490 --> 00:29:41,460
of the school coming out onto the sports

614
00:29:45,700 --> 00:29:43,500
ground and witnessing what the other

615
00:29:50,090 --> 00:29:45,710
kids had been seeing five or ten minutes

616
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:50,100
previously and before the recess bell

617
00:29:54,410 --> 00:29:52,290
went one of the students who was doing

618
00:29:57,290 --> 00:29:54,420
physical education on sports ground came

619
00:29:59,990 --> 00:29:57,300
rushing in to the classroom that was

620
00:30:02,060 --> 00:30:00,000
being a class being taught by Andrew

621
00:30:04,580 --> 00:30:02,070
Greenwood who was one of the science

622
00:30:06,050 --> 00:30:04,590
teachers at the school he was a a young

623
00:30:09,110 --> 00:30:06,060
teacher was his first year of teaching

624
00:30:11,210 --> 00:30:09,120
he was only about 21 years old himself

625
00:30:13,220 --> 00:30:11,220
and a girl rushed him from the class say

626
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:13,230
mr. Greenwood mr. Greenwood there are

627
00:30:17,900 --> 00:30:15,210
flying saucers outside flying saucers

628
00:30:21,020 --> 00:30:17,910
outside and of course the classroom

629
00:30:23,180 --> 00:30:21,030
erupted into pandemonium but Andrew

630
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:23,190
brought the class back under control he

631
00:30:27,020 --> 00:30:25,050
told the student to not be silly

632
00:30:28,910 --> 00:30:27,030
and to go back out to the sports

633
00:30:30,980 --> 00:30:28,920
grounded to close the door which she did

634
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:30,990
and he brought the close the class back

635
00:30:35,780 --> 00:30:34,080
under control but it was literally only

636
00:30:38,330 --> 00:30:35,790
about five minutes later that the recess

637
00:30:40,790 --> 00:30:38,340
Bell went and Andrew Greenwoods interest

638
00:30:43,070 --> 00:30:40,800
was actually peaked as you would imagine

639
00:30:45,320 --> 00:30:43,080
and so we actually went out to the

640
00:30:47,990 --> 00:30:45,330
sports ground and the class followed him

641
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:48,000
and lo and behold he actually did see

642
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:50,010
what all the other kids had been

643
00:30:55,700 --> 00:30:51,930
watching for the previous five or ten

644
00:30:59,570 --> 00:30:55,710
minutes and he saw one andrew greenwood

645
00:31:01,910 --> 00:30:59,580
saw one flying saucer shaped object up

646
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:01,920
in the sky now as I'm talking about this

647
00:31:05,570 --> 00:31:03,120
incident is always a little bit

648
00:31:07,220 --> 00:31:05,580
difficult because it's hard for me to

649
00:31:11,420 --> 00:31:07,230
know whether to use the singular or the

650
00:31:14,570 --> 00:31:11,430
plural because even though most of the

651
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:14,580
witnesses and so far I've actually been

652
00:31:22,450 --> 00:31:18,570
in contact with 117 people Wow who's

653
00:31:25,370 --> 00:31:22,460
what the flying saucer or flying saucers

654
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:25,380
there is a smaller group a subset of

655
00:31:31,580 --> 00:31:27,810
that 19 people that I've been in contact

656
00:31:33,980 --> 00:31:31,590
with so 19 out of the 117 we're adamant

657
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:33,990
there were more than one and they

658
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:37,770
remember them being two or three so it

659
00:31:41,420 --> 00:31:39,570
does seem to me that there was more than

660
00:31:43,700 --> 00:31:41,430
one but it's true to say that most of

661
00:31:45,110 --> 00:31:43,710
the witnesses remember seeing one and

662
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:45,120
Andrew Greenwood is certainly one of

663
00:31:49,790 --> 00:31:48,330
those people but as he went out most of

664
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:49,800
the rest of the school joined him on the

665
00:31:53,870 --> 00:31:51,210
sports ground

666
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:53,880
and there were kids literally hanging

667
00:31:58,549 --> 00:31:56,640
off the perimeter fences of the school

668
00:32:01,430 --> 00:31:58,559
on the western side and the southern

669
00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:01,440
side looking up at the sky trying to get

670
00:32:06,289 --> 00:32:04,440
a closer look at this object and the

671
00:32:09,380 --> 00:32:06,299
object that most people remember seeing

672
00:32:11,240 --> 00:32:09,390
was in that classic flying saucer shape

673
00:32:13,460 --> 00:32:11,250
that was so used to people talking about

674
00:32:16,940 --> 00:32:13,470
particularly from that era from the

675
00:32:19,399 --> 00:32:16,950
1950s in the 1960s and so they described

676
00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:19,409
it as being like a bowl on top of

677
00:32:25,370 --> 00:32:22,580
another Bowl or a bowl on top of a plate

678
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:25,380
some people even described it as a tea

679
00:32:29,149 --> 00:32:27,450
cup on top of a plate which I guess is a

680
00:32:32,630 --> 00:32:29,159
very British or Australian way of

681
00:32:35,090 --> 00:32:32,640
describing me and her flying saucer but

682
00:32:38,120 --> 00:32:35,100
I mean there was a handle on the cup but

683
00:32:42,289 --> 00:32:38,130
it was like a couple bowl shape on top

684
00:32:45,980 --> 00:32:42,299
of another bowl or plate shape and that

685
00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:45,990
it was metallic looking but it was

686
00:32:53,210 --> 00:32:49,500
silver or gray in colour but it didn't

687
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:53,220
seem to be making any sound or if it did

688
00:32:58,029 --> 00:32:55,710
it was a very very low humming sound

689
00:33:01,970 --> 00:32:58,039
they didn't seem to be any obvious

690
00:33:06,909 --> 00:33:01,980
windows or portholes no obvious rivets

691
00:33:11,450 --> 00:33:06,919
or scenes or joins and that it was

692
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:11,460
flying without any of the attributes you

693
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:13,289
would normally associate with a flying

694
00:33:20,690 --> 00:33:18,450
object so no tail no fins my wings no

695
00:33:23,779 --> 00:33:20,700
strings or ropes no propellers no

696
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:23,789
engines so something very mysterious and

697
00:33:27,980 --> 00:33:26,010
and you have to remember that there was

698
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:27,990
a very busy Airport called Moorabbin

699
00:33:33,380 --> 00:33:30,330
Airport only five kilometers away from

700
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:33,390
the schools at that time Moorabbin

701
00:33:39,320 --> 00:33:35,760
airport was Mel Byrnes second airport

702
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,330
and it was actually by flight number a

703
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:42,000
number of flights about the busiest

704
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:44,520
airport in the southern hemisphere at

705
00:33:50,269 --> 00:33:47,970
that time and there was almost no

706
00:33:53,299 --> 00:33:50,279
possible time you could be at Westall at

707
00:33:56,980 --> 00:33:53,309
the schools or elsewhere and not here or

708
00:33:59,510 --> 00:33:56,990
at least or see aircraft flying about

709
00:34:02,180 --> 00:33:59,520
doing the circuits and bumps training

710
00:34:04,610 --> 00:34:02,190
exercises that that planes often do and

711
00:34:06,170 --> 00:34:04,620
the kids were very very used to seeing

712
00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:06,180
planes and those planes were mostly

713
00:34:11,690 --> 00:34:08,570
training aircraft so aircraft like

714
00:34:13,810 --> 00:34:11,700
Cessnas or piper chieftains maybe

715
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:13,820
chipmunks so that's sort of like

716
00:34:21,290 --> 00:34:19,110
aircraft but what they saw this day was

717
00:34:24,649 --> 00:34:21,300
nothing like that nothing like that at

718
00:34:27,770 --> 00:34:24,659
all and the kids observed the object or

719
00:34:30,980 --> 00:34:27,780
objects flying around going from one

720
00:34:33,530 --> 00:34:30,990
side of the sky to the other moving so

721
00:34:35,750 --> 00:34:33,540
quickly It was as if the kids the

722
00:34:38,450 --> 00:34:35,760
witnesses couldn't quite tell was it

723
00:34:41,330 --> 00:34:38,460
blinking off vanishing and then blinking

724
00:34:43,940 --> 00:34:41,340
on and reappearing at the other end of

725
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:43,950
their their sky but the Vista that they

726
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,050
could see or was it just simply flying

727
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:48,240
so quickly from one side to the other

728
00:34:55,070 --> 00:34:51,090
that looked like it was doing that it

729
00:34:57,830 --> 00:34:55,080
ascended descended again no sound it

730
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:57,840
would make these strange angular turns

731
00:35:04,810 --> 00:35:01,020
that nobody could had ever associated

732
00:35:09,620 --> 00:35:04,820
with aircraft and then at some point

733
00:35:11,420 --> 00:35:09,630
five actual aircraft flew in and most of

734
00:35:13,940 --> 00:35:11,430
the witnesses who remember seeing these

735
00:35:17,150 --> 00:35:13,950
aeroplanes remember them simply as being

736
00:35:18,620 --> 00:35:17,160
ordinary light aircraft likes listeners

737
00:35:19,610 --> 00:35:18,630
they make Auto beam systems but there

738
00:35:21,710 --> 00:35:19,620
was something like that

739
00:35:24,110 --> 00:35:21,720
yeah aircraft that they were well used

740
00:35:28,190 --> 00:35:24,120
to seeing and these planes were trying

741
00:35:30,770 --> 00:35:28,200
to chase these flying objects and the

742
00:35:33,550 --> 00:35:30,780
planes would get close to one of the

743
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:33,560
objects and then the UFO would move away

744
00:35:38,060 --> 00:35:36,300
effortlessly and go to another part of

745
00:35:40,970 --> 00:35:38,070
the sky the plane would do the long

746
00:35:42,380 --> 00:35:40,980
banking turn that planes need to do and

747
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:42,390
making the sound of the engines of

748
00:35:47,510 --> 00:35:45,090
planes need to do and try to get closer

749
00:35:49,820 --> 00:35:47,520
to one of the objects again and then the

750
00:35:53,150 --> 00:35:49,830
object or objects would move off again

751
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:53,160
and so this what was described in the

752
00:35:59,510 --> 00:35:55,020
newspaper reports at the time is like a

753
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,520
cat and mouse exercise went on for

754
00:36:05,210 --> 00:36:02,520
several minutes and then at some point

755
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:05,220
after this at least one of the objects

756
00:36:13,370 --> 00:36:09,210
went down to a an area called the Grange

757
00:36:15,500 --> 00:36:13,380
which was an old rural property which

758
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:15,510
had a an old house on it but it had a

759
00:36:20,670 --> 00:36:18,070
large area of land

760
00:36:23,490 --> 00:36:20,680
and on part of that land was a large

761
00:36:25,530 --> 00:36:23,500
grow of pine trees and the kids at the

762
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:25,540
school just called that area the pines

763
00:36:28,740 --> 00:36:27,370
they knew it well because they often

764
00:36:32,100 --> 00:36:28,750
went over there for their cross-country

765
00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:32,110
running or their excursions when they

766
00:36:36,210 --> 00:36:34,390
went looking for frogs and the local

767
00:36:40,050 --> 00:36:36,220
kids used it as their their local

768
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:40,060
playground and this object flew down to

769
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:42,330
that grove of pine trees and was seen to

770
00:36:48,590 --> 00:36:46,720
disappear behind the trees and it set

771
00:36:52,580 --> 00:36:48,600
behind those trees for something like

772
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:52,590
perhaps ten minutes maybe 15 minutes

773
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:54,910
it's hard to tell the exact time but it

774
00:36:59,700 --> 00:36:56,970
was something of that nature

775
00:37:04,170 --> 00:36:59,710
enough time in fact to give a certain

776
00:37:08,190 --> 00:37:04,180
cohort of the kids time to jump over the

777
00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:08,200
boundary fence over a ditch a channel

778
00:37:12,450 --> 00:37:09,730
that was between the fence and the

779
00:37:15,660 --> 00:37:12,460
unmade Street Road at the back of the

780
00:37:19,020 --> 00:37:15,670
school over that road through the market

781
00:37:23,730 --> 00:37:19,030
gardens down a dirt track down towards

782
00:37:25,530 --> 00:37:23,740
the Grange chasing this quarry chasing

783
00:37:29,670 --> 00:37:25,540
this object which they had been watching

784
00:37:33,030 --> 00:37:29,680
in the sky high low left right fast slow

785
00:37:35,910 --> 00:37:33,040
and it came down and they wanted to find

786
00:37:36,990 --> 00:37:35,920
it and it was an extraordinary thing in

787
00:37:40,290 --> 00:37:37,000
a way because we're talking about

788
00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:40,300
schoolchildren in the 1960s aged between

789
00:37:47,670 --> 00:37:45,730
about twelve and fifteen who knew about

790
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:47,680
the worst thing you could possibly do at

791
00:37:54,990 --> 00:37:50,890
school was to leave the school's grounds

792
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:55,000
not sure permission of a teacher or your

793
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,520
parents without a note because it was

794
00:38:01,170 --> 00:37:59,200
dangerous because you were crossing a

795
00:38:03,930 --> 00:38:01,180
road because you're going to the bush

796
00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:03,940
because you didn't have permission but

797
00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:06,370
there was a group of them and so I guess

798
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:08,050
they felt like they have a little bit of

799
00:38:13,380 --> 00:38:10,810
support and a little bit of courage and

800
00:38:15,300 --> 00:38:13,390
off they went and a certain group a

801
00:38:17,700 --> 00:38:15,310
small group according to some of the

802
00:38:21,090 --> 00:38:17,710
witnesses got there in time down to the

803
00:38:23,010 --> 00:38:21,100
Grange to see one object either sitting

804
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:23,020
on the ground or just perhaps a little

805
00:38:27,150 --> 00:38:25,810
bit above the ground and one of the

806
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:27,160
witnesses talking about getting down

807
00:38:31,890 --> 00:38:30,130
there and seeing four kids a couple of

808
00:38:33,150 --> 00:38:31,900
boys a couple of girls

809
00:38:36,029 --> 00:38:33,160
and the boys were a little bit further

810
00:38:38,539 --> 00:38:36,039
back from the object the girls were a

811
00:38:43,620 --> 00:38:38,549
little bit closer and the girls had been

812
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:43,630
affected somehow by the object one had

813
00:38:48,779 --> 00:38:46,480
fainted and was still on the ground one

814
00:38:53,730 --> 00:38:48,789
was sort of dusting herself off and and

815
00:38:56,789 --> 00:38:53,740
still getting up and this witness then

816
00:38:59,309 --> 00:38:56,799
watched the object lift up from where he

817
00:39:02,849 --> 00:38:59,319
had been it went up into the sky a few

818
00:39:06,380 --> 00:39:02,859
meters turned into a vertical plane and

819
00:39:08,549 --> 00:39:06,390
then shot off fast up into the sky

820
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:08,559
joining one or two others that were

821
00:39:15,240 --> 00:39:11,650
still up there and then at great speed

822
00:39:18,210 --> 00:39:15,250
the three objects flew away again in

823
00:39:19,859 --> 00:39:18,220
that vertical plane flying off so

824
00:39:25,079 --> 00:39:19,869
quickly that hardly anybody could notice

825
00:39:27,210 --> 00:39:25,089
where they had gone to so this was not

826
00:39:31,019 --> 00:39:27,220
your normal start to the school day at

827
00:39:33,870 --> 00:39:31,029
Weston High School right right before we

828
00:39:36,539 --> 00:39:33,880
move on let me just just ask a couple of

829
00:39:38,940 --> 00:39:36,549
things so you just mentioned that they

830
00:39:41,460 --> 00:39:38,950
just flew off with the three objects but

831
00:39:43,319 --> 00:39:41,470
there's still confusion between some of

832
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,329
the witnesses whether there was one

833
00:39:48,809 --> 00:39:46,000
object or multiple objects even though

834
00:39:53,400 --> 00:39:48,819
this thing flew off together with those

835
00:39:54,779 --> 00:39:53,410
other three well mountainy wouldn't be a

836
00:39:58,410 --> 00:39:54,789
flying social story if they wasn't

837
00:40:01,470 --> 00:39:58,420
confusion no you're right right if you

838
00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:01,480
hit clarity then it can't be a UFO story

839
00:40:06,359 --> 00:40:03,160
we can't be a bonafide

840
00:40:08,880 --> 00:40:06,369
flying saucer consider that's true and

841
00:40:10,490 --> 00:40:08,890
and I think we we know that from some of

842
00:40:13,019 --> 00:40:10,500
the other perhaps better known

843
00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:13,029
historical incidents from over the years

844
00:40:17,099 --> 00:40:14,650
which we're all still talking about

845
00:40:20,069 --> 00:40:17,109
after all of these years and trying to

846
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:20,079
not help the finer details but it's true

847
00:40:24,779 --> 00:40:22,210
in a sense there's some confusion it's

848
00:40:26,430 --> 00:40:24,789
not really confusion I guess from the

849
00:40:29,490 --> 00:40:26,440
perspective of someone trying to

850
00:40:32,130 --> 00:40:29,500
understand it like me as a researcher it

851
00:40:33,690 --> 00:40:32,140
can be a bit confusing but in the minds

852
00:40:36,150 --> 00:40:33,700
of the witnesses there's not much

853
00:40:38,460 --> 00:40:36,160
confusion because you are either a

854
00:40:41,940 --> 00:40:38,470
witness who remembered seeing one and

855
00:40:44,099 --> 00:40:41,950
one only or you are a witness and it's a

856
00:40:45,390 --> 00:40:44,109
smaller number that I've been in contact

857
00:40:47,190 --> 00:40:45,400
with and of course there's

858
00:40:49,380 --> 00:40:47,200
lots of people who were witnesses

859
00:40:53,490 --> 00:40:49,390
potentially that have not yet been in

860
00:40:55,770 --> 00:40:53,500
contact with who saw two or three and so

861
00:40:57,780 --> 00:40:55,780
those people are either adamant there

862
00:41:00,780 --> 00:40:57,790
were three for example or they're

863
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:00,790
adamant there was only one and mostly

864
00:41:08,370 --> 00:41:04,690
those people are happy to admit that

865
00:41:11,070 --> 00:41:08,380
they saw what they saw but what they saw

866
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:11,080
of course was conditioned by where they

867
00:41:15,240 --> 00:41:13,330
were standing when they got to where

868
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:15,250
they were standing what else was

869
00:41:21,930 --> 00:41:18,540
happening around them and of course the

870
00:41:25,470 --> 00:41:21,940
and of course their memory and the

871
00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:25,480
frailty of their memory and so most

872
00:41:30,570 --> 00:41:28,210
people are adamant about what they saw

873
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:30,580
but they're happy to admit that there

874
00:41:34,590 --> 00:41:32,290
may have been other people who saw

875
00:41:37,050 --> 00:41:34,600
something slightly different they see

876
00:41:41,130 --> 00:41:37,060
the interesting element to that aspect

877
00:41:44,190 --> 00:41:41,140
of the story is that there are also

878
00:41:46,650 --> 00:41:44,200
there are 165 people open in contact

879
00:41:49,830 --> 00:41:46,660
with who remember seeing that the

880
00:41:51,930 --> 00:41:49,840
circles left behind in the paddock in

881
00:41:55,410 --> 00:41:51,940
the grassy field by whatever these

882
00:41:57,570 --> 00:41:55,420
objects were and so a larger number then

883
00:41:59,580 --> 00:41:57,580
saw the actual flying saucers which

884
00:42:02,940 --> 00:41:59,590
makes sense because there was more time

885
00:42:06,420 --> 00:42:02,950
for people to go down after school local

886
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:06,430
residents and see these trace marks what

887
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:08,710
in fact had been left behind apparently

888
00:42:16,170 --> 00:42:11,940
by these objects and off that group of

889
00:42:19,770 --> 00:42:16,180
165 there are 25 who remember seeing

890
00:42:22,380 --> 00:42:19,780
more than one circle so as a proportion

891
00:42:24,660 --> 00:42:22,390
it's almost the same percentage of

892
00:42:27,300 --> 00:42:24,670
people who remember seeing more than one

893
00:42:29,550 --> 00:42:27,310
flying saucer as opposed to one flying

894
00:42:33,660 --> 00:42:29,560
saucer so there's certainly evidence

895
00:42:35,850 --> 00:42:33,670
that there is certainly a group of

896
00:42:39,150 --> 00:42:35,860
witnesses who remember seeing more than

897
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:39,160
one trace mark more than one circle

898
00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:41,890
which would seem to indicate that

899
00:42:47,340 --> 00:42:44,590
perhaps there was indeed more than one

900
00:42:49,950 --> 00:42:47,350
object involved it's hard to be

901
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:49,960
definitive of course at my job as the

902
00:42:55,110 --> 00:42:53,200
researcher is to strive to be definitive

903
00:42:57,090 --> 00:42:55,120
but obviously I've got to hold all of

904
00:42:58,820 --> 00:42:57,100
these parts of the jigsaw puzzle

905
00:43:01,790 --> 00:42:58,830
together somehow and to

906
00:43:05,450 --> 00:43:01,800
as many of the common denominators as I

907
00:43:08,980 --> 00:43:05,460
can and for those common elements to to

908
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:08,990
tell the the thrust of the story right

909
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:11,610
so another thing you mentioned early on

910
00:43:17,210 --> 00:43:14,640
was that there was no apparent rivets

911
00:43:20,120 --> 00:43:17,220
portholes seams anything like that so

912
00:43:24,500 --> 00:43:20,130
that seems to indicate that it was seen

913
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:24,510
rather closely would you be able to tell

914
00:43:31,940 --> 00:43:29,130
us what is the the guess of the closest

915
00:43:36,170 --> 00:43:31,950
that someone was able to to view the

916
00:43:37,610 --> 00:43:36,180
object sure sure obviously measurements

917
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:37,620
are a tricky thing and particularly

918
00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:40,470
after the passage of all this time but

919
00:43:44,030 --> 00:43:41,970
there are several witnesses remember

920
00:43:47,570 --> 00:43:44,040
being very close to the object is one

921
00:43:51,350 --> 00:43:47,580
witness who features in the documentary

922
00:43:53,780 --> 00:43:51,360
West or 66 who was the one sole person

923
00:43:55,970 --> 00:43:53,790
that we know of that I've been in

924
00:43:58,610 --> 00:43:55,980
contact with he says there were a couple

925
00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:58,620
of other boys who did what he did which

926
00:44:03,290 --> 00:44:00,390
was jumped the western boundary fence

927
00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:03,300
where there was a mass of kids and at

928
00:44:08,750 --> 00:44:07,170
least one teacher viewing the object but

929
00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:08,760
he says there were two objects at that

930
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:12,990
point landed or almost landed in the

931
00:44:17,450 --> 00:44:15,930
paddock next to the school he remembers

932
00:44:20,210 --> 00:44:17,460
there being a bit of a space between the

933
00:44:24,470 --> 00:44:20,220
bottom of these two flying saucers and

934
00:44:26,060 --> 00:44:24,480
the grass and he got so close this

935
00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:26,070
witness's name is Victor by the way

936
00:44:30,710 --> 00:44:28,320
Victor got so close to one of the

937
00:44:33,620 --> 00:44:30,720
objects that you could feel heat coming

938
00:44:37,940 --> 00:44:33,630
off it Wow and put his hand up towards

939
00:44:40,010 --> 00:44:37,950
it to touch it but thought about thought

940
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:40,020
not to do that had second thoughts about

941
00:44:44,540 --> 00:44:41,610
doing that because he could feel the

942
00:44:47,810 --> 00:44:44,550
heat coming off and so he backed and

943
00:44:49,580 --> 00:44:47,820
took his hand probably a smart move yeah

944
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:49,590
that's right if it was to do it now he

945
00:44:53,210 --> 00:44:51,060
said to me the other day that he'd

946
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:53,220
probably put his hand on and hang on for

947
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:55,830
dear life and probably not on the

948
00:45:00,190 --> 00:44:58,440
outside but he didn't do that

949
00:45:02,750 --> 00:45:00,200
he was he was at that point what

950
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:02,760
thirteen years old I think and so he

951
00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:05,970
took his hand back and then he took a

952
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:09,210
few steps back and walked back towards

953
00:45:12,410 --> 00:45:11,490
the fence and as he did one of the

954
00:45:14,780 --> 00:45:12,420
objects

955
00:45:17,180 --> 00:45:14,790
if that up and food down towards the

956
00:45:19,310 --> 00:45:17,190
Grange the other object he said blew up

957
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:19,320
and didn't go down to the Grange but

958
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:21,540
went up into the sky and went high in

959
00:45:26,930 --> 00:45:24,090
the sky and stayed there so he was very

960
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:26,940
close another witness a lady by the name

961
00:45:33,650 --> 00:45:31,680
of Terry she was the witness one of the

962
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,660
students had gone down to the Grange and

963
00:45:38,830 --> 00:45:35,760
saw the four kids in front of her

964
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:38,840
between her and the flying saucer and

965
00:45:44,390 --> 00:45:42,000
saw the two girls affected by the flying

966
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:44,400
saucer fainted in the ground fainted on

967
00:45:49,670 --> 00:45:47,010
the ground and she estimates that she

968
00:45:52,580 --> 00:45:49,680
was probably within about five meters

969
00:45:54,890 --> 00:45:52,590
maybe ten meters off the flying saucer

970
00:45:57,890 --> 00:45:54,900
again close enough to be able to get a

971
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:57,900
good view of it so much so that when it

972
00:46:03,890 --> 00:46:00,480
lifted up and before it turned into the

973
00:46:06,550 --> 00:46:03,900
the perpendicular the vertical axis she

974
00:46:09,910 --> 00:46:06,560
could see what appeared to be bluish

975
00:46:14,090 --> 00:46:09,920
purplish colored lights on the bottom

976
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:14,100
rotating in a fashion pulsating as it

977
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:16,890
lifted up there were other witnesses who

978
00:46:20,180 --> 00:46:18,330
were on the sports ground at the time

979
00:46:24,050 --> 00:46:20,190
before the flying saucer went down to

980
00:46:26,330 --> 00:46:24,060
the Grange who they felt they were so

981
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:26,340
close to the object they felt as though

982
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:29,010
it was coming down in front of them and

983
00:46:34,100 --> 00:46:31,650
they were so petrified thinking that the

984
00:46:36,440 --> 00:46:34,110
object was actually going to crash were

985
00:46:39,580 --> 00:46:36,450
going to land on the sports ground in

986
00:46:42,890 --> 00:46:39,590
front of them and there were a set of

987
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:42,900
goalposts Australian rules football gold

988
00:46:49,820 --> 00:46:45,690
posts on the sports ground so you can

989
00:46:51,230 --> 00:46:49,830
imagine some goal posts and a couple of

990
00:46:53,750 --> 00:46:51,240
the witnesses referred to the flying

991
00:46:56,330 --> 00:46:53,760
saucer being almost at the top of those

992
00:46:58,730 --> 00:46:56,340
goal posts so we're only talking there

993
00:47:01,280 --> 00:46:58,740
about what would that be maybe ten

994
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,290
meters or so above the ground where they

995
00:47:08,720 --> 00:47:04,880
were standing and some of the kids

996
00:47:11,270 --> 00:47:08,730
watching this happen were afraid they

997
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:11,280
were petrified what about girls talks

998
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:14,990
about wetting her pants being so scared

999
00:47:19,670 --> 00:47:17,490
being so taken aback about what was

1000
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:19,680
happening in front of her wedding her

1001
00:47:24,710 --> 00:47:22,350
pants rushing off to the toilets taking

1002
00:47:26,349 --> 00:47:24,720
refuge taking cover from what she

1003
00:47:30,260 --> 00:47:26,359
thought was about to have

1004
00:47:32,660 --> 00:47:30,270
on the sports ground and so some of

1005
00:47:37,550 --> 00:47:32,670
these witnesses were were pretty close

1006
00:47:40,670 --> 00:47:37,560
so this is like a group trauma I mean

1007
00:47:42,680 --> 00:47:40,680
was everyone or were some people

1008
00:47:44,270 --> 00:47:42,690
fascinating and some were you know

1009
00:47:47,300 --> 00:47:44,280
traumatized and I want to talk about

1010
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:47,310
Tonya I believe it is too but but as how

1011
00:47:53,270 --> 00:47:49,290
it was happening was it was it a mixture

1012
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:53,280
or was it everyone was scared no I don't

1013
00:47:55,970 --> 00:47:54,570
think everybody was scared at all it was

1014
00:47:58,970 --> 00:47:55,980
certainly was a mixture so it was very

1015
00:48:01,849 --> 00:47:58,980
dependent upon I think where people were

1016
00:48:05,329 --> 00:48:01,859
when they were there and of course most

1017
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:05,339
importantly I imagine how they were as

1018
00:48:10,609 --> 00:48:07,050
people their personalities their

1019
00:48:13,099 --> 00:48:10,619
demeanors and so a lot of the witnesses

1020
00:48:16,490 --> 00:48:13,109
most of the witnesses talk to me about

1021
00:48:20,780 --> 00:48:16,500
finding extremely exciting it was

1022
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:20,790
exciting it was something that they

1023
00:48:25,990 --> 00:48:23,970
remember very very fondly they remember

1024
00:48:28,160 --> 00:48:26,000
it as being the most incredible thing

1025
00:48:31,220 --> 00:48:28,170
that's happened to them in their lives

1026
00:48:33,410 --> 00:48:31,230
as a memory it's the strongest memory

1027
00:48:37,579 --> 00:48:33,420
that they ever have probably up there

1028
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:37,589
with having children but there are

1029
00:48:42,890 --> 00:48:40,530
certainly some witnesses who have talked

1030
00:48:44,990 --> 00:48:42,900
to me about it being traumatic that it

1031
00:48:48,530 --> 00:48:45,000
was scary was frightening that was

1032
00:48:50,839 --> 00:48:48,540
worrying for them and I guess one

1033
00:48:53,390 --> 00:48:50,849
wonders how many of that particular

1034
00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:53,400
cohort that subset of witnesses perhaps

1035
00:48:59,030 --> 00:48:56,970
have decided not to talk to me or to

1036
00:49:01,730 --> 00:48:59,040
come forward or to talk talk to other

1037
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:01,740
people because for them it was that sort

1038
00:49:07,630 --> 00:49:04,609
of experience for whatever reason and

1039
00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:07,640
it's perhaps the students the the

1040
00:49:12,349 --> 00:49:09,990
children and perhaps the older adults

1041
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:12,359
for whom it was more of an exciting

1042
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:16,500
incident who have decided to talk more

1043
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:18,930
about it and to be more open about it

1044
00:49:26,570 --> 00:49:22,770
and and what's a scoop with with what

1045
00:49:28,700 --> 00:49:26,580
happened with Tonya so there is a

1046
00:49:31,790 --> 00:49:28,710
student who was at the school by the

1047
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:31,800
name of Tonya and there are several

1048
00:49:35,750 --> 00:49:33,690
witnesses who remember her

1049
00:49:38,810 --> 00:49:35,760
has been somehow connected with the

1050
00:49:40,700 --> 00:49:38,820
Flying Saucer incident so some of the

1051
00:49:44,240 --> 00:49:40,710
people remember that she was the girl

1052
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:44,250
who ran into the the science classroom

1053
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:46,640
been taught by Andrew Greenwood and

1054
00:49:50,930 --> 00:49:49,170
sliding the door back and shouting up

1055
00:49:53,630 --> 00:49:50,940
there are flying saucers in the sky

1056
00:49:55,430 --> 00:49:53,640
flying saucers in the sky and some

1057
00:49:57,500 --> 00:49:55,440
people are very clear that it was her

1058
00:50:00,110 --> 00:49:57,510
other people not so clear and just

1059
00:50:02,630 --> 00:50:00,120
remember being a female student or a

1060
00:50:04,670 --> 00:50:02,640
student but for those who remember being

1061
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:04,680
a specific student they do usually name

1062
00:50:11,410 --> 00:50:08,640
it as this girl Tanya and one of the

1063
00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:11,420
other witnesses remembers very clearly

1064
00:50:16,940 --> 00:50:13,860
Tonya being one of the students who

1065
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:16,950
raced down towards the Grange in chase

1066
00:50:22,850 --> 00:50:20,280
of the flying saucer and this witness a

1067
00:50:26,240 --> 00:50:22,860
lady called Jacqueline raced after her

1068
00:50:28,790 --> 00:50:26,250
and also tried to race down to the

1069
00:50:31,300 --> 00:50:28,800
Grange but Toni apparently was a very

1070
00:50:34,300 --> 00:50:31,310
fast runner faster than Jacqueline and

1071
00:50:36,560 --> 00:50:34,310
about half way down towards the Grange

1072
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,570
Jacqueline noticed Tonya coming back in

1073
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:38,520
the opposite direction back towards a

1074
00:50:45,230 --> 00:50:42,650
school property screaming hysterical and

1075
00:50:47,060 --> 00:50:45,240
the Jacqueline tried to grab her and

1076
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:47,070
hold her and ask her what was going on

1077
00:50:53,300 --> 00:50:50,690
but she was too upset she was too

1078
00:50:56,060 --> 00:50:53,310
she was too hysterical she was

1079
00:50:58,550 --> 00:50:56,070
frightened by something and she broke

1080
00:51:00,200 --> 00:50:58,560
her grip and raced back towards the

1081
00:51:02,030 --> 00:51:00,210
school so Jacqueline at that point

1082
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:02,040
decided not to go any further and to

1083
00:51:06,730 --> 00:51:04,020
turn around and to go back towards the

1084
00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:06,740
school and when they got back to school

1085
00:51:10,070 --> 00:51:08,700
Jacqueline remembers she's not

1086
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,080
absolutely sure about the passage of

1087
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:12,240
time but she remembers not very long

1088
00:51:17,660 --> 00:51:14,970
afterwards an ambulance being at the

1089
00:51:21,020 --> 00:51:17,670
school Tania being attended to by the

1090
00:51:24,890 --> 00:51:21,030
ambulance officers and Tania being taken

1091
00:51:27,230 --> 00:51:24,900
away in the ambulance and there are a

1092
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:27,240
couple of other witnesses who have that

1093
00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:30,450
same visual memory and there's some

1094
00:51:38,390 --> 00:51:33,210
other witnesses who heard that that was

1095
00:51:40,430 --> 00:51:38,400
the case and one of the witnesses Terry

1096
00:51:45,230 --> 00:51:40,440
who I mentioned before thinks it was

1097
00:51:47,150 --> 00:51:45,240
Tania who was down at the Grange fainted

1098
00:51:47,450 --> 00:51:47,160
on the ground having been affected by

1099
00:51:49,700 --> 00:51:47,460
what

1100
00:51:55,580 --> 00:51:49,710
you have seen close range to the flying

1101
00:51:57,740 --> 00:51:55,590
saucer so that's Tonya's story and the

1102
00:51:59,780 --> 00:51:57,750
other aspect of Tonya story is that two

1103
00:52:02,390 --> 00:51:59,790
of the witnesses Jacqueline and Terri

1104
00:52:03,980 --> 00:52:02,400
were both friends with Tonya separately

1105
00:52:05,510 --> 00:52:03,990
went around to Tanya's house and you

1106
00:52:07,670 --> 00:52:05,520
wish he'd lived they'd been to her house

1107
00:52:12,110 --> 00:52:07,680
before her house wasn't very far from

1108
00:52:15,170 --> 00:52:12,120
the school and not Don Tonya's door to

1109
00:52:17,960 --> 00:52:15,180
see how she was and Tonya wasn't there

1110
00:52:20,330 --> 00:52:17,970
her family wasn't there and in fact a

1111
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:20,340
stranger that neither of these girls had

1112
00:52:23,150 --> 00:52:21,090
ever met before

1113
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:23,160
answered the door and told them that

1114
00:52:27,530 --> 00:52:25,890
Tonya wasn't there had never lived there

1115
00:52:30,820 --> 00:52:27,540
there was no one there by that name but

1116
00:52:34,430 --> 00:52:30,830
both kids had been to that house before

1117
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:34,440
well we ever heard that part of it yeah

1118
00:52:39,230 --> 00:52:37,770
yeah so they knew that that was Tonya's

1119
00:52:41,390 --> 00:52:39,240
house they knew that Tonya's family

1120
00:52:44,900 --> 00:52:41,400
lived there and yet there was his

1121
00:52:45,830 --> 00:52:44,910
strange lady at the door saying sorry no

1122
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:45,840
one here by that name

1123
00:52:54,230 --> 00:52:51,150
and neither Jacqueline or Terry ever saw

1124
00:52:57,050 --> 00:52:54,240
Tony again she didn't return to the

1125
00:52:59,290 --> 00:52:57,060
school and it wasn't until years later

1126
00:53:02,030 --> 00:52:59,300
apparently that some of the other kids

1127
00:53:06,830 --> 00:53:02,040
as young adults met up with her later

1128
00:53:11,210 --> 00:53:06,840
but she was not seen at the school again

1129
00:53:15,650 --> 00:53:11,220
now Tonya's been hard to find it's

1130
00:53:16,670 --> 00:53:15,660
possible that a lady with her name has

1131
00:53:20,990 --> 00:53:16,680
been found

1132
00:53:23,470 --> 00:53:21,000
Rosie Jones the filmmaker for West of 66

1133
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:23,480
believe she has been in contact with her

1134
00:53:29,390 --> 00:53:26,550
but Tonya doesn't really want to talk

1135
00:53:31,130 --> 00:53:29,400
about the story she confirms that she

1136
00:53:32,990 --> 00:53:31,140
was there at Westall high school that

1137
00:53:36,640 --> 00:53:33,000
she remembers the flying saucer incident

1138
00:53:40,790 --> 00:53:36,650
but not not other aspects of the story

1139
00:53:43,400 --> 00:53:40,800
and Rosie as a professional filmmaker of

1140
00:53:46,850 --> 00:53:43,410
course has agreed to protect this lady's

1141
00:53:49,070 --> 00:53:46,860
privacy and to honor her her request not

1142
00:53:52,010 --> 00:53:49,080
to be involved any more or to be

1143
00:53:54,650 --> 00:53:52,020
interviewed and so that's where that

1144
00:53:57,320 --> 00:53:54,660
aspect of the story currently sits Wow

1145
00:53:59,720 --> 00:53:57,330
wasn't that amazing so I was not also

1146
00:54:01,250 --> 00:53:59,730
aware that they found her as well

1147
00:54:04,190 --> 00:54:01,260
all right well we're at

1148
00:54:06,260 --> 00:54:04,200
our real break at the 55 so we're gonna

1149
00:54:09,350 --> 00:54:06,270
go into the break so hang in everyone

1150
00:54:13,850 --> 00:54:09,360
we'll be right back right after these

1151
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:13,860
messages all right welcome back this is

1152
00:54:19,540 --> 00:54:16,710
Martin Willis and my guest is Shane Ryan

1153
00:54:23,420 --> 00:54:19,550
we're talking about the Westall UFO and

1154
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:23,430
a very interesting case and we're also

1155
00:54:28,970 --> 00:54:25,740
going to be talking a little bit later

1156
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:28,980
on about other UFO cases in Australia

1157
00:54:34,610 --> 00:54:31,170
there's a lot going on

1158
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:34,620
there has been and actually I've talked

1159
00:54:40,670 --> 00:54:37,170
about this before but Australia is my

1160
00:54:42,500 --> 00:54:40,680
third largest listening base and that's

1161
00:54:45,110 --> 00:54:42,510
really saying something of a country

1162
00:54:47,720 --> 00:54:45,120
with 26 million compared to other you

1163
00:54:53,180 --> 00:54:47,730
know major countries so a lot of

1164
00:54:54,530 --> 00:54:53,190
listeners in Australia and and I have to

1165
00:54:56,780 --> 00:54:54,540
figure out a way to get there I've

1166
00:54:58,100 --> 00:54:56,790
always wanted to go to Australia so one

1167
00:54:59,810 --> 00:54:58,110
of these days I'm gonna have to figure

1168
00:55:06,200 --> 00:54:59,820
out a reason to be there

1169
00:55:08,270 --> 00:55:06,210
I suggest Qantas Mawson Qantas okay so

1170
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:08,280
we were talking about Tonya I don't know

1171
00:55:14,210 --> 00:55:09,930
her last name I don't know if I've seen

1172
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:14,220
her last name anywhere but did she ever

1173
00:55:20,540 --> 00:55:17,970
give a reason for why she vanished and

1174
00:55:22,280 --> 00:55:20,550
never came back to school and that that

1175
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:22,290
whole thing did she ever give any part

1176
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:26,010
of that detail so unfortunately there's

1177
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:28,410
nothing publicly available in relation

1178
00:55:36,710 --> 00:55:33,840
to to the rest of Tanya story and as I

1179
00:55:41,450 --> 00:55:36,720
mentioned Rosie Jones has agreed to

1180
00:55:43,310 --> 00:55:41,460
honour her desire for privacy and so we

1181
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:43,320
simply don't know really much more about

1182
00:55:49,730 --> 00:55:45,810
her story it would be nice to know some

1183
00:55:51,380 --> 00:55:49,740
more for me obviously it's an

1184
00:55:53,030 --> 00:55:51,390
interesting element to the story and

1185
00:55:54,140 --> 00:55:53,040
people do latch on to it and that's

1186
00:55:57,220 --> 00:55:54,150
understandable

1187
00:55:59,630 --> 00:55:57,230
but from a researchers perspective

1188
00:56:02,330 --> 00:55:59,640
because it's been very difficult to

1189
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:02,340
confirm many of those elements that

1190
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:03,930
other people have talked about in

1191
00:56:09,710 --> 00:56:06,720
relation to her it's hard for me to take

1192
00:56:11,450 --> 00:56:09,720
it any further and I guess for me as

1193
00:56:15,550 --> 00:56:11,460
well as the research because I have so

1194
00:56:17,260 --> 00:56:15,560
many other witness accounts on my books

1195
00:56:20,260 --> 00:56:17,270
there's lots of other things for me to

1196
00:56:22,060 --> 00:56:20,270
delve into and to talk about and there

1197
00:56:25,570 --> 00:56:22,070
are some things I haven't yet mentioned

1198
00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:25,580
of course and so it's an interesting

1199
00:56:30,100 --> 00:56:27,530
element of the story no doubt about it

1200
00:56:32,170 --> 00:56:30,110
but I have to put into the context of

1201
00:56:34,540 --> 00:56:32,180
all the other elements and particularly

1202
00:56:38,290 --> 00:56:34,550
if it's difficult for me to drive that

1203
00:56:41,230 --> 00:56:38,300
that research Avenue any further then

1204
00:56:43,270 --> 00:56:41,240
there's not really much I can do it's as

1205
00:56:44,770 --> 00:56:43,280
any UFO researcher will know you can

1206
00:56:48,100 --> 00:56:44,780
take a horse to water but you can't make

1207
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:48,110
it drink and we have to accept the the

1208
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:50,930
frustrations and the limitations we can

1209
00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:53,690
only research what we can research we

1210
00:56:58,740 --> 00:56:55,010
can only go on the amount of information

1211
00:57:01,300 --> 00:56:58,750
that people are prepared to give us and

1212
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:01,310
do the best we can with what we are

1213
00:57:07,570 --> 00:57:04,850
given right now the the aftermath of

1214
00:57:11,170 --> 00:57:07,580
this case is almost just as interesting

1215
00:57:14,530 --> 00:57:11,180
as the case itself so why don't we go

1216
00:57:16,600 --> 00:57:14,540
into that aspect of it that's true so

1217
00:57:19,750 --> 00:57:16,610
the aftermath is as interesting as the

1218
00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:19,760
actual incident itself because and I

1219
00:57:22,900 --> 00:57:21,230
always talk about this as a flying

1220
00:57:25,420 --> 00:57:22,910
saucer incident I talk about that

1221
00:57:27,720 --> 00:57:25,430
because it's nostalgic because that's

1222
00:57:30,640 --> 00:57:27,730
the terminology the vocabulary of the

1223
00:57:32,320 --> 00:57:30,650
1960s and some people of course don't

1224
00:57:34,930 --> 00:57:32,330
like using that terminology because it's

1225
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:34,940
loaded and carries baggage and all of

1226
00:57:38,860 --> 00:57:37,010
that is true but I stick with it because

1227
00:57:40,960 --> 00:57:38,870
I love the nostalgia of it

1228
00:57:42,610 --> 00:57:40,970
and because that was the terminology

1229
00:57:44,770 --> 00:57:42,620
that was used by a lot of the witnesses

1230
00:57:47,230 --> 00:57:44,780
at the time when they saw this object

1231
00:57:49,330 --> 00:57:47,240
these objects that's how they described

1232
00:57:52,510 --> 00:57:49,340
them of course it doesn't tell us very

1233
00:57:55,150 --> 00:57:52,520
much about where they were from why they

1234
00:57:58,600 --> 00:57:55,160
were there how they were being flown who

1235
00:58:00,730 --> 00:57:58,610
was inside what was inside if anybody if

1236
00:58:03,010 --> 00:58:00,740
anything and all of that remains

1237
00:58:04,630 --> 00:58:03,020
mysterious and of course that's

1238
00:58:06,850 --> 00:58:04,640
something we all want to know I mean

1239
00:58:08,590 --> 00:58:06,860
that's the the nub of the mystery of

1240
00:58:12,460 --> 00:58:08,600
course and I want to know all of those

1241
00:58:15,040 --> 00:58:12,470
things as much as anybody but another

1242
00:58:16,780 --> 00:58:15,050
aspect to my research and I guess it was

1243
00:58:19,600 --> 00:58:16,790
the aspect I thought I would be able to

1244
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:19,610
be more successful with because the

1245
00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:21,200
other stuff is a little bit harder to

1246
00:58:29,620 --> 00:58:26,300
the soul is to work out who responded to

1247
00:58:31,270 --> 00:58:29,630
this incident why did they risk

1248
00:58:36,190 --> 00:58:31,280
why did they respond to it in the way

1249
00:58:40,270 --> 00:58:36,200
that they did why was there a secrecy a

1250
00:58:43,330 --> 00:58:40,280
vial of secrecy it seems lowered over

1251
00:58:46,900 --> 00:58:43,340
this whole story and why were so many

1252
00:58:50,170 --> 00:58:46,910
people given the message either overtly

1253
00:58:53,380 --> 00:58:50,180
or covertly that this was a story a

1254
00:58:57,070 --> 00:58:53,390
happening that wasn't to be admitted to

1255
00:58:59,800 --> 00:58:57,080
me that wasn't to be talked about and of

1256
00:59:01,210 --> 00:58:59,810
course it's from talking to so many of

1257
00:59:02,580 --> 00:59:01,220
the witnesses over the years that I've

1258
00:59:06,100 --> 00:59:02,590
been able to put the pieces together

1259
00:59:08,890 --> 00:59:06,110
that there was such a large response but

1260
00:59:10,480 --> 00:59:08,900
police responded the Royal Australian

1261
00:59:12,700 --> 00:59:10,490
Air Force responded

1262
00:59:16,180 --> 00:59:12,710
it seems that elements of the Australian

1263
00:59:19,630 --> 00:59:16,190
Army were involved a civil defence

1264
00:59:21,850 --> 00:59:19,640
organisation responded to separate fire

1265
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:21,860
brigades from separate fire departments

1266
00:59:27,300 --> 00:59:25,010
were involved the ambulance service was

1267
00:59:29,770 --> 00:59:27,310
involved at least for one student and

1268
00:59:32,710 --> 00:59:29,780
there were possibly other elements of

1269
00:59:34,930 --> 00:59:32,720
the Australian and Victorian state

1270
00:59:39,070 --> 00:59:34,940
governments that were involved as well

1271
00:59:42,160 --> 00:59:39,080
and at a seemingly very high level all

1272
00:59:44,350 --> 00:59:42,170
for something that was written off at

1273
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:44,360
the time as being probably a

1274
00:59:49,630 --> 00:59:46,730
meteorological balloon that had been

1275
00:59:52,840 --> 00:59:49,640
blown a little bit off course and had

1276
00:59:55,480 --> 00:59:52,850
been cited by some excitable children at

1277
00:59:57,850 --> 00:59:55,490
a couple of the schools in the fringes

1278
00:59:59,680 --> 00:59:57,860
of Melbourne but it wasn't about that at

1279
01:00:03,550 --> 00:59:59,690
all it was something else

1280
01:00:07,150 --> 01:00:03,560
and so it was that response and the

1281
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:07,160
cover-up and me trying to work out what

1282
01:00:11,860 --> 01:00:08,810
those people who responded to this

1283
01:00:14,470 --> 01:00:11,870
incident found on what they discovered

1284
01:00:17,380 --> 01:00:14,480
what they wrote up into their reports

1285
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:17,390
what went into the archives what was all

1286
01:00:20,860 --> 01:00:17,930
that about

1287
01:00:22,510 --> 01:00:20,870
and why couldn't have been divulged at

1288
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:22,520
the time why couldn't it have been

1289
01:00:26,410 --> 01:00:25,130
shared with the media why couldn't have

1290
01:00:28,120 --> 01:00:26,420
been shared with the people who were

1291
01:00:32,650 --> 01:00:28,130
involved who were there on the ground

1292
01:00:35,110 --> 01:00:32,660
and why after all of these years more

1293
01:00:39,370 --> 01:00:35,120
than 50 years has passed 54 years is

1294
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:39,380
there still not ask Eric of paperwork in

1295
01:00:46,270 --> 01:00:42,530
any of the publicly accessible

1296
01:00:48,610 --> 01:00:46,280
homes government archives about this

1297
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:48,620
story and I over the years as you would

1298
01:00:54,670 --> 01:00:52,010
imagine filed quite a few Freedom of

1299
01:00:56,680 --> 01:00:54,680
Information applications request for

1300
01:01:00,070 --> 01:00:56,690
information I've got the some of the

1301
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:00,080
paperwork here to the National Archives

1302
01:01:07,510 --> 01:01:03,650
of Australia to the Australian

1303
01:01:11,130 --> 01:01:07,520
Department of Defense to the Victoria

1304
01:01:13,570 --> 01:01:11,140
Police to the Victorian Department of

1305
01:01:16,690 --> 01:01:13,580
Education the department responsible for

1306
01:01:18,730 --> 01:01:16,700
running of the schools and all of those

1307
01:01:20,920 --> 01:01:18,740
responses from these people and from

1308
01:01:23,350 --> 01:01:20,930
others have come back saying either

1309
01:01:25,330 --> 01:01:23,360
we've looked we've searched through all

1310
01:01:29,740 --> 01:01:25,340
their available records and there's

1311
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:29,750
nothing there or because it's so old we

1312
01:01:35,620 --> 01:01:33,370
don't have to or because it's so old any

1313
01:01:38,740 --> 01:01:35,630
archival material that we may have

1314
01:01:40,750 --> 01:01:38,750
collected has under the requirements of

1315
01:01:42,940 --> 01:01:40,760
federal legislation go on to the

1316
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:42,950
National Archives of Australia and the

1317
01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:44,960
National Archives of Australia have

1318
01:01:53,200 --> 01:01:48,170
already told me they have nothing well

1319
01:01:55,450 --> 01:01:53,210
so there's this problem we know

1320
01:01:57,870 --> 01:01:55,460
something happened we know there were

1321
01:02:02,500 --> 01:01:57,880
people on the ground there in uniform

1322
01:02:04,480 --> 01:02:02,510
and in civilian clothes and yet not a

1323
01:02:11,230 --> 01:02:04,490
single piece of documentation apparently

1324
01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:11,240
exists to to explain that and so that's

1325
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:12,650
the other aspect that's what's so

1326
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:14,930
mysterious about this because even with

1327
01:02:18,460 --> 01:02:17,210
cases better known cases perhaps that

1328
01:02:24,430 --> 01:02:18,470
people have been looking at over the

1329
01:02:27,940 --> 01:02:24,440
years like Roswell or Rendlesham there's

1330
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:27,950
documentation there's information but

1331
01:02:32,260 --> 01:02:30,290
for Westall I guess a little bit like in

1332
01:02:35,200 --> 01:02:32,270
a way another incident which happened at

1333
01:02:38,200 --> 01:02:35,210
around the same time in Pennsylvania the

1334
01:02:41,620 --> 01:02:38,210
Kecksburg incident you'll remember that

1335
01:02:43,330 --> 01:02:41,630
yeah something obviously happened the

1336
01:02:45,940 --> 01:02:43,340
police were there the fire department

1337
01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:45,950
was there the army turned up there was

1338
01:02:51,580 --> 01:02:48,950
some media there and yet there's nothing

1339
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:51,590
to be found in the government archives

1340
01:02:55,930 --> 01:02:54,410
about that story either so it's a little

1341
01:02:58,780 --> 01:02:55,940
bit of Kim

1342
01:03:00,430 --> 01:02:58,790
that sort of incident and when you

1343
01:03:03,160 --> 01:03:00,440
actually make contact with some of the

1344
01:03:04,960 --> 01:03:03,170
people who were there in uniform their

1345
01:03:07,030 --> 01:03:04,970
responses are very very interesting and

1346
01:03:09,790 --> 01:03:07,040
there haven't been many that I've made

1347
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:09,800
contact with there have been a couple of

1348
01:03:15,790 --> 01:03:13,130
firemen who remember it clearly who

1349
01:03:18,550 --> 01:03:15,800
remember responding and there is battle

1350
01:03:20,200 --> 01:03:18,560
by anybody as to what it was and what

1351
01:03:23,020 --> 01:03:20,210
they saw that day but it certainly

1352
01:03:26,760 --> 01:03:23,030
happened they were there but there's one

1353
01:03:31,450 --> 01:03:26,770
surviving police officer who was there

1354
01:03:37,030 --> 01:03:31,460
that day it took him many years to admit

1355
01:03:39,670 --> 01:03:37,040
it he always denied it but about two or

1356
01:03:42,790 --> 01:03:39,680
three years ago a journalist who I had

1357
01:03:44,230 --> 01:03:42,800
arranged to contact him he still lives

1358
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:44,240
in the house by the way that he lived in

1359
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:49,250
back in 1966 he still there is a man now

1360
01:03:53,470 --> 01:03:51,070
I believe in his 80s he's not very well

1361
01:03:55,330 --> 01:03:53,480
but he finally admitted in a telephone

1362
01:03:56,770 --> 01:03:55,340
call with this journalist that he'd been

1363
01:03:59,020 --> 01:03:56,780
there that day yes he was part of the

1364
01:04:01,420 --> 01:03:59,030
Victoria police response but he wasn't

1365
01:04:03,820 --> 01:04:01,430
prepared to talk about it and one of the

1366
01:04:07,000 --> 01:04:03,830
high school witnesses is actually a

1367
01:04:09,460 --> 01:04:07,010
family friend of this man this witness

1368
01:04:12,040 --> 01:04:09,470
her parents were a friend with this

1369
01:04:14,860 --> 01:04:12,050
police officer and when this witness's

1370
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:14,870
father passed away this former police

1371
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:19,610
officer was at her dad's funeral and she

1372
01:04:23,950 --> 01:04:21,200
had been trying for years to talk to

1373
01:04:26,610 --> 01:04:23,960
this man Jack about what he had seen

1374
01:04:28,690 --> 01:04:26,620
that day and why the police were there

1375
01:04:32,470 --> 01:04:28,700
what were they doing what did they see

1376
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:32,480
and she went up to Jack at the end of

1377
01:04:37,570 --> 01:04:34,610
the funeral and she said the jack jack

1378
01:04:39,790 --> 01:04:37,580
would you please just tell me what

1379
01:04:42,820 --> 01:04:39,800
happened at West or that day what was it

1380
01:04:45,310 --> 01:04:42,830
that we all saw and he said to her

1381
01:04:46,630 --> 01:04:45,320
her name is so he said sue and if I tell

1382
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:46,640
you what will you do with the

1383
01:04:52,180 --> 01:04:49,730
information and Sue said Jack it's just

1384
01:04:55,390 --> 01:04:52,190
for me I need to know it's for my own

1385
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:55,400
sanity I need to know I know you know

1386
01:04:57,790 --> 01:04:57,290
something please tell me I won't tell

1387
01:05:00,460 --> 01:04:57,800
anybody

1388
01:05:04,390 --> 01:05:00,470
and Jack looked at her and said sue I

1389
01:05:07,030 --> 01:05:04,400
don't believe you and he wouldn't spill

1390
01:05:08,420 --> 01:05:07,040
the beans and this was at this poor

1391
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:08,430
lady's dad's

1392
01:05:13,070 --> 01:05:10,650
you know father's funeral as I said the

1393
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:13,080
dad's funeral Wow very emotional time

1394
01:05:18,710 --> 01:05:15,570
for her but she felt it was a time to

1395
01:05:22,280 --> 01:05:18,720
bring it up with him and and I tried

1396
01:05:25,460 --> 01:05:22,290
talking to him on the telephone and so

1397
01:05:29,420 --> 01:05:25,470
whatever it was whatever was said to him

1398
01:05:31,550 --> 01:05:29,430
as a young police officer probably who

1399
01:05:34,970 --> 01:05:31,560
was on the periphery of the event in a

1400
01:05:41,500 --> 01:05:34,980
way he still feels the need to keep

1401
01:05:46,910 --> 01:05:41,510
silent that's amazing and what about the

1402
01:05:50,690 --> 01:05:46,920
silence silencing of the media did that

1403
01:05:53,240 --> 01:05:50,700
happen as well it looks as though it did

1404
01:05:56,210 --> 01:05:53,250
happen because Melbourne had several

1405
01:05:58,070 --> 01:05:56,220
daily newspapers at a time and one was a

1406
01:06:00,140 --> 01:05:58,080
broadsheet newspaper the age which I

1407
01:06:03,200 --> 01:06:00,150
mentioned earlier and it carried a very

1408
01:06:04,370 --> 01:06:03,210
small article the next day documenting

1409
01:06:07,670 --> 01:06:04,380
that they'd been a flying saucer

1410
01:06:09,860 --> 01:06:07,680
sighting at a school in Westall and that

1411
01:06:12,320 --> 01:06:09,870
it may have been explained by a

1412
01:06:15,020 --> 01:06:12,330
meteorological balloon flying over and

1413
01:06:17,030 --> 01:06:15,030
that was the extent of the article seen

1414
01:06:19,820 --> 01:06:17,040
by hundreds of students and teachers but

1415
01:06:25,130 --> 01:06:19,830
it was probably perhaps a meteorological

1416
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:25,140
balloon there were three not broadsheet

1417
01:06:30,500 --> 01:06:27,570
newspapers but what's the opposite of

1418
01:06:33,680 --> 01:06:30,510
broadsheet you know what I mean less

1419
01:06:37,220 --> 01:06:33,690
serious newspapers not broadsheet

1420
01:06:39,230 --> 01:06:37,230
newspapers newspapers that perhaps had a

1421
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:39,240
bigger following in terms of readership

1422
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:42,450
and a couple of those newspapers in

1423
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:44,880
particular were known for carrying

1424
01:06:49,970 --> 01:06:47,850
stories about UFO incidents about flying

1425
01:06:53,410 --> 01:06:49,980
saucers and of course there were such

1426
01:06:56,750 --> 01:06:53,420
stories in those years in the 1960s

1427
01:06:59,900 --> 01:06:56,760
none of those newspapers carried a

1428
01:07:03,320 --> 01:06:59,910
single sentence about this incident so

1429
01:07:05,540 --> 01:07:03,330
it seems as though somebody perhaps made

1430
01:07:08,570 --> 01:07:05,550
a phone call to what to the editors of

1431
01:07:11,270 --> 01:07:08,580
these newspapers and said for national

1432
01:07:14,660 --> 01:07:11,280
security this is a story not to be

1433
01:07:17,030 --> 01:07:14,670
reported or if it is to be reported in

1434
01:07:19,760 --> 01:07:17,040
the way the age did in a very truncated

1435
01:07:21,410 --> 01:07:19,770
way and with an explanation a possible

1436
01:07:25,370 --> 01:07:21,420
explanation given

1437
01:07:28,130 --> 01:07:25,380
or what it was that everybody saw and a

1438
01:07:30,070 --> 01:07:28,140
few days after the incident one of those

1439
01:07:35,570 --> 01:07:30,080
broad check one of those are newspapers

1440
01:07:40,660 --> 01:07:35,580
too carried a cartoon lampooning UFOs

1441
01:07:43,730 --> 01:07:40,670
and people seeing UFOs but fascinatingly

1442
01:07:46,670 --> 01:07:43,740
on the very day after the Western

1443
01:07:48,470 --> 01:07:46,680
incident and this is perhaps it might be

1444
01:07:50,900 --> 01:07:48,480
just a coincidence or an example of

1445
01:07:52,610 --> 01:07:50,910
Australian humor I don't know but was

1446
01:07:54,380 --> 01:07:52,620
actually sorry in the afternoon

1447
01:07:57,290 --> 01:07:54,390
newspaper that day the 6th of April said

1448
01:07:58,790 --> 01:07:57,300
the same day as the incident happened in

1449
01:08:01,220 --> 01:07:58,800
one of those newspapers called The

1450
01:08:04,970 --> 01:08:01,230
Herald there was this wonderful article

1451
01:08:07,220 --> 01:08:04,980
an advertisement really about how the

1452
01:08:10,060 --> 01:08:07,230
defense of Australia is in very good

1453
01:08:12,830 --> 01:08:10,070
hands the Royal Australian Air Force

1454
01:08:16,700 --> 01:08:12,840
Australia's aerial defense is in their

1455
01:08:18,440 --> 01:08:16,710
hands and it's an ad about the various

1456
01:08:22,490 --> 01:08:18,450
ways in which the royal australian air

1457
01:08:25,340 --> 01:08:22,500
force is keeping Australia's air safe

1458
01:08:27,380 --> 01:08:25,350
and defended from threats and this radar

1459
01:08:29,750 --> 01:08:27,390
and there's the Jets and there's the

1460
01:08:33,230 --> 01:08:29,760
surface-to-air missiles and this happens

1461
01:08:36,800 --> 01:08:33,240
on the very same day as rest of incident

1462
01:08:39,710 --> 01:08:36,810
so a wonderful coincidence yeah yeah

1463
01:08:42,320 --> 01:08:39,720
that is that is interesting now wasn't

1464
01:08:44,750 --> 01:08:42,330
theory I remember when we talked before

1465
01:08:47,870 --> 01:08:44,760
wasn't there a teacher that took a bunch

1466
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:47,880
of photographs of of the flying saucer

1467
01:08:52,460 --> 01:08:50,250
or one of them and what was the deal

1468
01:08:56,030 --> 01:08:52,470
with that so there are several witnesses

1469
01:08:57,890 --> 01:08:56,040
who recall that one teacher took

1470
01:08:59,900 --> 01:08:57,900
photographs and some of the kids

1471
01:09:02,600 --> 01:08:59,910
remember that it was the female science

1472
01:09:04,850 --> 01:09:02,610
teacher Miss Robbins others remember

1473
01:09:07,490 --> 01:09:04,860
that it was the male science teacher mr.

1474
01:09:09,380 --> 01:09:07,500
Greenwood and I've been in contact with

1475
01:09:11,060 --> 01:09:09,390
Andrew Greenwood over the years and have

1476
01:09:13,880 --> 01:09:11,070
had a face-to-face meeting with him and

1477
01:09:16,100 --> 01:09:13,890
he says it definitely wasn't him

1478
01:09:18,800 --> 01:09:16,110
he didn't take photographs so it doesn't

1479
01:09:20,780 --> 01:09:18,810
look as though it was him the other

1480
01:09:23,990 --> 01:09:20,790
teacher she's still alive but she's very

1481
01:09:25,370 --> 01:09:24,000
unwell unfortunately and Rosie Jones was

1482
01:09:27,740 --> 01:09:25,380
able to have a chat with her several

1483
01:09:29,930 --> 01:09:27,750
years ago and because of her illness

1484
01:09:32,990 --> 01:09:29,940
even though she was able to confirm that

1485
01:09:33,820 --> 01:09:33,000
she was at Westall as a teacher and she

1486
01:09:35,890 --> 01:09:33,830
remembered something

1487
01:09:38,110 --> 01:09:35,900
about a kerfuffle involving flying

1488
01:09:41,710 --> 01:09:38,120
saucers she didn't have any more

1489
01:09:43,329 --> 01:09:41,720
memories than that so she and her son

1490
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:43,339
who were able to be in contact with

1491
01:09:47,620 --> 01:09:45,410
simply weren't able to confirm that

1492
01:09:49,840 --> 01:09:47,630
aspect of the story but the witnesses

1493
01:09:53,020 --> 01:09:49,850
who remember it they remember that a

1494
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:53,030
teacher took photographs using the

1495
01:09:56,710 --> 01:09:54,650
school's camera there was only one

1496
01:09:58,780 --> 01:09:56,720
camera back in those days the school had

1497
01:10:01,180 --> 01:09:58,790
a single camera it was the school camera

1498
01:10:03,070 --> 01:10:01,190
nobody else had cameras and of course

1499
01:10:05,620 --> 01:10:03,080
kids didn't have access to cameras in

1500
01:10:08,500 --> 01:10:05,630
those days and she took photos or

1501
01:10:10,480 --> 01:10:08,510
someone took photos and when the Royal

1502
01:10:13,900 --> 01:10:10,490
Australian Air Force officers came to

1503
01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:13,910
the school which they did they came to

1504
01:10:19,240 --> 01:10:16,490
the school apparently that day some say

1505
01:10:21,670 --> 01:10:19,250
the following day and some witnesses had

1506
01:10:24,430 --> 01:10:21,680
memories of the camera and the film

1507
01:10:27,190 --> 01:10:24,440
inside the whole thing being handed over

1508
01:10:29,470 --> 01:10:27,200
to these Air Force officers and of

1509
01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:29,480
course the film the camera perhaps never

1510
01:10:39,160 --> 01:10:34,970
seen again and what about the more or

1511
01:10:41,590 --> 01:10:39,170
less the silencing of everyone was there

1512
01:10:44,610 --> 01:10:41,600
I don't want to say threats but there

1513
01:10:48,730 --> 01:10:44,620
were were there sort of like stern

1514
01:10:51,970 --> 01:10:48,740
well maybe threats is the right word not

1515
01:10:53,110 --> 01:10:51,980
to talk about this that's right some

1516
01:10:55,110 --> 01:10:53,120
people talk about that a lot of the

1517
01:10:59,040 --> 01:10:55,120
witnesses talked about there being this

1518
01:11:02,350 --> 01:10:59,050
assembly that afternoon assembly

1519
01:11:05,170 --> 01:11:02,360
organized by the headmaster mr. Sam will

1520
01:11:08,110 --> 01:11:05,180
be and it was held in the quadrangle

1521
01:11:10,290 --> 01:11:08,120
that afternoon and everybody was told

1522
01:11:13,390 --> 01:11:10,300
that they hadn't seen flying saucers

1523
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:13,400
there are no such things as flying

1524
01:11:18,160 --> 01:11:15,770
saucers and they weren't to talk about

1525
01:11:19,810 --> 01:11:18,170
it and they certainly weren't to talk to

1526
01:11:21,850 --> 01:11:19,820
the media because the media had started

1527
01:11:25,500 --> 01:11:21,860
gathering out the front of the school

1528
01:11:28,900 --> 01:11:25,510
and several students had in fact already

1529
01:11:31,360 --> 01:11:28,910
tried started giving TV interviews and

1530
01:11:34,120 --> 01:11:31,370
those interviews were very quickly

1531
01:11:36,790 --> 01:11:34,130
abruptly interrupted one of the students

1532
01:11:39,250 --> 01:11:36,800
joy very clearly remembers she remembers

1533
01:11:41,620 --> 01:11:39,260
it in a very tactile way talking to the

1534
01:11:44,230 --> 01:11:41,630
channel 9 interviewer the camera

1535
01:11:46,360 --> 01:11:44,240
operator there and this man in a blue

1536
01:11:47,770 --> 01:11:46,370
uniform she'd never seen before she

1537
01:11:49,480 --> 01:11:47,780
remembers him as being a

1538
01:11:51,880 --> 01:11:49,490
police officer or perhaps an air force

1539
01:11:53,920 --> 01:11:51,890
officer because of the blue uniform

1540
01:11:55,750 --> 01:11:53,930
coming up putting his hand on her

1541
01:11:57,940 --> 01:11:55,760
shoulder and saying this interview is

1542
01:11:59,830 --> 01:11:57,950
over you're not to talk about this get

1543
01:12:03,220 --> 01:11:59,840
back into school he then turns around

1544
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:03,230
talked and to the media people says get

1545
01:12:07,240 --> 01:12:04,930
out of here this interview is over

1546
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:07,250
and that was it she goes back into

1547
01:12:12,640 --> 01:12:10,610
school she gets given detention as one

1548
01:12:14,980 --> 01:12:12,650
or two of the other students were also

1549
01:12:17,230 --> 01:12:14,990
given detention who had tried to speak

1550
01:12:19,120 --> 01:12:17,240
to the media one of the students gave an

1551
01:12:21,790 --> 01:12:19,130
interview with the local newspaper the

1552
01:12:23,440 --> 01:12:21,800
Dandenong Journal the Danny long journal

1553
01:12:26,350 --> 01:12:23,450
newspaper was the one that broke the

1554
01:12:30,220 --> 01:12:26,360
story at the time and so was front-page

1555
01:12:32,290 --> 01:12:30,230
news for a couple of weeks running in

1556
01:12:34,540 --> 01:12:32,300
this local newspaper and thank goodness

1557
01:12:37,420 --> 01:12:34,550
this newspaper still exists today and we

1558
01:12:39,460 --> 01:12:37,430
have access to their archives she gave

1559
01:12:42,580 --> 01:12:39,470
an interview as did Andrew Greenwood

1560
01:12:44,980 --> 01:12:42,590
with the newspaper and she got detention

1561
01:12:47,860 --> 01:12:44,990
as a student and Andrew Greenwood was

1562
01:12:50,770 --> 01:12:47,870
definitely wrapped over the knuckles by

1563
01:12:53,470 --> 01:12:50,780
his headmaster and for Andrew Greenwood

1564
01:12:55,300 --> 01:12:53,480
that was a bit upsetting as a as a new

1565
01:12:58,360 --> 01:12:55,310
student a teacher rather a relatively

1566
01:13:00,850 --> 01:12:58,370
young teacher but more upsetting for him

1567
01:13:03,070 --> 01:13:00,860
was when about three days later he had

1568
01:13:04,660 --> 01:13:03,080
the knock on the door at home he

1569
01:13:06,750 --> 01:13:04,670
answered the door this was after he'd

1570
01:13:09,460 --> 01:13:06,760
come home from work and there were two

1571
01:13:13,090 --> 01:13:09,470
people one in an airforce officer's

1572
01:13:16,120 --> 01:13:13,100
uniform one in civilian clothes and they

1573
01:13:17,350 --> 01:13:16,130
wanted to talk to him and he thought

1574
01:13:19,870 --> 01:13:17,360
well that's interesting they're there

1575
01:13:22,350 --> 01:13:19,880
wanting to talk to me about the UFO to

1576
01:13:24,730 --> 01:13:22,360
take down details of what I'd seen and

1577
01:13:26,950 --> 01:13:24,740
his mother was home at the time and she

1578
01:13:30,910 --> 01:13:26,960
sat in a separate room and he sat down

1579
01:13:32,620 --> 01:13:30,920
with the two government people they

1580
01:13:35,710 --> 01:13:32,630
weren't interested in what he'd seen I

1581
01:13:37,690 --> 01:13:35,720
didn't want to know any details and in

1582
01:13:40,150 --> 01:13:37,700
fact they said to him we want you to be

1583
01:13:42,790 --> 01:13:40,160
quiet about this there are no such

1584
01:13:44,770 --> 01:13:42,800
things as flying saucers and we don't

1585
01:13:45,970 --> 01:13:44,780
want you saying that you saw one and he

1586
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:45,980
remember saying to the air force

1587
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:46,520
officers

1588
01:13:50,260 --> 01:13:48,050
well hang on a minute if there are no

1589
01:13:52,540 --> 01:13:50,270
such things as flying saucers why does

1590
01:13:56,680 --> 01:13:52,550
it matter if I say that I saw a flying

1591
01:13:59,890 --> 01:13:56,690
saucer very annoying interest you why

1592
01:14:00,540 --> 01:13:59,900
are you at my house and the tone turned

1593
01:14:03,330 --> 01:14:00,550
rather

1594
01:14:06,150 --> 01:14:03,340
negative after that apparently and they

1595
01:14:08,340 --> 01:14:06,160
said to him mr. Greenwood if you talk

1596
01:14:11,160 --> 01:14:08,350
again about this but you have done with

1597
01:14:13,830 --> 01:14:11,170
the local newspaper we'll make sure you

1598
01:14:16,590 --> 01:14:13,840
don't teach in this state again we'll

1599
01:14:19,050 --> 01:14:16,600
tell the newspapers that you're not

1600
01:14:20,490 --> 01:14:19,060
coping as a new teacher but you're

1601
01:14:22,770 --> 01:14:20,500
taking alcohol in the morning with your

1602
01:14:26,100 --> 01:14:22,780
breakfast cereal oh and you ever teach

1603
01:14:29,160 --> 01:14:26,110
again unreal unbelievable

1604
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:29,170
were there more were there more threats

1605
01:14:36,570 --> 01:14:32,560
like that or similar to that I mean you

1606
01:14:38,850 --> 01:14:36,580
said there was the the assembly and at

1607
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:38,860
that point they were told not to talk

1608
01:14:44,730 --> 01:14:41,910
about it but I mean how can you stop

1609
01:14:46,860 --> 01:14:44,740
kids from talking about it you know to

1610
01:14:50,490 --> 01:14:46,870
their parents and and things like that I

1611
01:14:53,010 --> 01:14:50,500
mean that's just going to happen you

1612
01:14:54,180 --> 01:14:53,020
know I mean they can't really stop you

1613
01:14:59,460 --> 01:14:54,190
know they must have known they couldn't

1614
01:15:01,530 --> 01:14:59,470
stop that I think that's true I think if

1615
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:01,540
you put yourselves into the shoes of the

1616
01:15:06,720 --> 01:15:05,050
school principal the administrators it

1617
01:15:08,130 --> 01:15:06,730
was a reasonable thing in a way what

1618
01:15:10,350 --> 01:15:08,140
they did because they were trying to

1619
01:15:12,750 --> 01:15:10,360
obviously not just protect the

1620
01:15:14,850 --> 01:15:12,760
reputation of the school but they were

1621
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:14,860
very much I think trying to protect the

1622
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:16,810
reputation the well-being of the

1623
01:15:21,060 --> 01:15:19,330
students because they could see I think

1624
01:15:24,420 --> 01:15:21,070
that this could very easily get out of

1625
01:15:26,640 --> 01:15:24,430
hand that there'd be more media that the

1626
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:26,650
school could get overrun with on lookers

1627
01:15:33,960 --> 01:15:31,450
sightseers and this was the second last

1628
01:15:36,780 --> 01:15:33,970
day of the school term the next day very

1629
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:36,790
conveniently for the school and for the

1630
01:15:41,940 --> 01:15:39,730
story going underground was the last day

1631
01:15:44,730 --> 01:15:41,950
of school term it was the last day

1632
01:15:47,850 --> 01:15:44,740
before the Easter school holidays and so

1633
01:15:49,470 --> 01:15:47,860
there was a two-week break then and so

1634
01:15:52,650 --> 01:15:49,480
the school really only had to survive

1635
01:15:56,730 --> 01:15:52,660
another 24 hours or so before everybody

1636
01:15:59,400 --> 01:15:56,740
went away for at least two weeks and the

1637
01:16:01,890 --> 01:15:59,410
story did die down and people did move

1638
01:16:03,210 --> 01:16:01,900
on with their lives but there were a

1639
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:03,220
whole lot of people of course who never

1640
01:16:07,470 --> 01:16:06,010
forgot what they had seen but yes there

1641
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:07,480
were some other people who were called

1642
01:16:11,790 --> 01:16:09,250
into the Headmaster's office and one of

1643
01:16:14,189 --> 01:16:11,800
those students Jacqueline talks about

1644
01:16:16,979 --> 01:16:14,199
the memory of being grilled by

1645
01:16:18,930 --> 01:16:16,989
to people in dark suits with short

1646
01:16:20,100 --> 01:16:18,940
cropped hair well nearly everybody had

1647
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:20,110
short cropped hair in those days but

1648
01:16:24,510 --> 01:16:22,449
short cropped hair looking very serious

1649
01:16:28,650 --> 01:16:24,520
as if they were from the government and

1650
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:28,660
they were grilling her about you they

1651
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:30,010
were saying do you really want us to

1652
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:32,650
believe that you saw little green men do

1653
01:16:37,140 --> 01:16:33,760
you really want us to believe that you

1654
01:16:39,270 --> 01:16:37,150
saw aliens and and she was saying no no

1655
01:16:42,090 --> 01:16:39,280
that's not what I'm saying I'm saying I

1656
01:16:44,130 --> 01:16:42,100
saw this object I'm not saying I saw

1657
01:16:46,110 --> 01:16:44,140
this was I saw this object I saw it

1658
01:16:49,290 --> 01:16:46,120
close it had this effect on my school

1659
01:16:51,180 --> 01:16:49,300
friends it was oval-shaped it was it

1660
01:16:54,689 --> 01:16:51,190
made no noise it flew like I've never

1661
01:16:55,410 --> 01:16:54,699
seen any of other object fly and she got

1662
01:16:57,630 --> 01:16:55,420
so upset

1663
01:16:59,640 --> 01:16:57,640
not just us were there questions and the

1664
01:17:02,490 --> 01:16:59,650
pressure they were putting on her as a

1665
01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:02,500
14 year old girl but she was upset with

1666
01:17:09,300 --> 01:17:05,560
her headmaster who was in the office

1667
01:17:12,120 --> 01:17:09,310
with her with them and him not coming to

1668
01:17:14,910 --> 01:17:12,130
her aid I see him not defending her and

1669
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:14,920
so she she ran out of the office crying

1670
01:17:19,620 --> 01:17:17,290
and she ran home her home was the very

1671
01:17:21,720 --> 01:17:19,630
far away she ran home bawling her eyes

1672
01:17:25,770 --> 01:17:21,730
out because of this experience that

1673
01:17:28,620 --> 01:17:25,780
she'd had with these men well that's

1674
01:17:31,140 --> 01:17:28,630
amazing so you've mentioned that you you

1675
01:17:34,290 --> 01:17:31,150
still basically are you still working

1676
01:17:38,700 --> 01:17:34,300
this case I mean you still like even now

1677
01:17:40,770 --> 01:17:38,710
talking to witnesses so I'm still

1678
01:17:42,180 --> 01:17:40,780
working this case Martin somebody's got

1679
01:17:44,490 --> 01:17:42,190
to do the dirty work and that's me at

1680
01:17:46,530 --> 01:17:44,500
the moment has been for the last 14

1681
01:17:48,419 --> 01:17:46,540
years and some other researchers have

1682
01:17:50,430 --> 01:17:48,429
looked at the case of course long before

1683
01:17:52,890 --> 01:17:50,440
I came along and there are other people

1684
01:17:55,229 --> 01:17:52,900
still interested in it obviously but I'm

1685
01:17:58,050 --> 01:17:55,239
very actively working the case we've had

1686
01:18:01,620 --> 01:17:58,060
some very interesting leads relatively

1687
01:18:03,390 --> 01:18:01,630
recently for example and the leads are

1688
01:18:06,780 --> 01:18:03,400
both promising and incredibly

1689
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:06,790
excruciating ly frustrating as is often

1690
01:18:13,470 --> 01:18:10,690
the case with UFO story leads a

1691
01:18:18,689 --> 01:18:13,480
gentleman has come forward the grandson

1692
01:18:21,750 --> 01:18:18,699
of a man who he says was at Westall that

1693
01:18:23,189 --> 01:18:21,760
day working for a federal government

1694
01:18:27,630 --> 01:18:23,199
department called the department of

1695
01:18:28,150 --> 01:18:27,640
supply and this man also had the job to

1696
01:18:30,930 --> 01:18:28,160
be the

1697
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:30,940
personal protection officer and driver

1698
01:18:35,980 --> 01:18:33,970
for the then Prime Minister of Australia

1699
01:18:38,110 --> 01:18:35,990
and whenever the Prime Minister of

1700
01:18:40,540 --> 01:18:38,120
Australia was in Melbourne so not here

1701
01:18:43,660 --> 01:18:40,550
in Canberra but in Melbourne he would be

1702
01:18:45,550 --> 01:18:43,670
the driver and security man for this

1703
01:18:50,380 --> 01:18:45,560
Prime Minister his name was Harold Holt

1704
01:18:53,770 --> 01:18:50,390
and this man has come forward saying

1705
01:18:58,510 --> 01:18:53,780
that his grandfather told him out of the

1706
01:19:01,570 --> 01:18:58,520
blue one day about the Westall UFO case

1707
01:19:04,510 --> 01:19:01,580
and how he was there and how it was

1708
01:19:06,400 --> 01:19:04,520
about time the truth came out about it

1709
01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:06,410
for the sake of everybody for all of the

1710
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:08,870
witnesses that the truth be known about

1711
01:19:14,380 --> 01:19:12,110
what happened at Westar and this man

1712
01:19:17,260 --> 01:19:14,390
talked to his mother and two aunts the

1713
01:19:21,340 --> 01:19:17,270
daughters of this grandfather and they

1714
01:19:23,050 --> 01:19:21,350
refused to talk to him about what

1715
01:19:25,150 --> 01:19:23,060
happened about what they heard from

1716
01:19:27,250 --> 01:19:25,160
their father what he saw that day and

1717
01:19:29,620 --> 01:19:27,260
Westall what his involvement was all

1718
01:19:32,410 --> 01:19:29,630
they had been prepared to say to him is

1719
01:19:36,430 --> 01:19:32,420
that he was never the same again his

1720
01:19:38,200 --> 01:19:36,440
demeanor changed after Westall and so

1721
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:38,210
unfortunately the the man the

1722
01:19:44,740 --> 01:19:41,170
grandfather has long since passed away

1723
01:19:47,200 --> 01:19:44,750
but the man was given some Diaries by

1724
01:19:49,240 --> 01:19:47,210
his grandfather and in his Diaries he

1725
01:19:52,350 --> 01:19:49,250
remembers reading an account of going

1726
01:19:56,050 --> 01:19:52,360
out to Westall who was there what he saw

1727
01:19:58,360 --> 01:19:56,060
and unfortunately of course in true UFO

1728
01:20:02,800 --> 01:19:58,370
story style those diaries have now gone

1729
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:02,810
missing and I can't yet haven't yet been

1730
01:20:07,810 --> 01:20:06,050
found but hopefully this man going

1731
01:20:11,200 --> 01:20:07,820
through his grandfather's papers and

1732
01:20:13,060 --> 01:20:11,210
other information and hoping hopefully

1733
01:20:15,100 --> 01:20:13,070
talking again with his mother and his

1734
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:15,110
arts will be able to give us some more

1735
01:20:22,150 --> 01:20:17,210
information about what his grandfather's

1736
01:20:24,550 --> 01:20:22,160
involvement was another witness in a way

1737
01:20:28,270 --> 01:20:24,560
has come forward recently posting on

1738
01:20:30,550 --> 01:20:28,280
Facebook saying that he knows the pilots

1739
01:20:32,230 --> 01:20:30,560
that were in the aeroplanes that day but

1740
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:32,240
they came from Moorabbin Airport the

1741
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:34,850
nearby airport and he knows one of the

1742
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:38,810
pilots in particular who gave chase to

1743
01:20:44,830 --> 01:20:42,050
the flying saucer and tried to follow it

1744
01:20:47,140 --> 01:20:44,840
but couldn't because it flew so fast it

1745
01:20:49,720 --> 01:20:47,150
just left him behind but he tried to

1746
01:20:53,050 --> 01:20:49,730
follow and that this pilot is still

1747
01:20:55,900 --> 01:20:53,060
alive of course he's elderly he's living

1748
01:20:57,910 --> 01:20:55,910
in a nursing home he's unwell he lives

1749
01:21:02,350 --> 01:20:57,920
in Far North Queensland a long way from

1750
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:02,360
where I am but this man so far even

1751
01:21:09,130 --> 01:21:07,370
after many efforts I've made isn't

1752
01:21:13,060 --> 01:21:09,140
prepared to divulge the name or the

1753
01:21:16,780 --> 01:21:13,070
location of this pilot well that would

1754
01:21:19,840 --> 01:21:16,790
be really amazing and has as you've as

1755
01:21:22,750 --> 01:21:19,850
you have gone along have you well by the

1756
01:21:24,790 --> 01:21:22,760
way I'm putting the the lines open here

1757
01:21:27,250 --> 01:21:24,800
now if anyone wants to call in because I

1758
01:21:28,960 --> 01:21:27,260
do want to you know change topics coming

1759
01:21:30,940 --> 01:21:28,970
up but I do want to give the listening

1760
01:21:34,180 --> 01:21:30,950
audience an opportunity to talk about

1761
01:21:37,780 --> 01:21:34,190
this case so that number is eight five

1762
01:21:40,540 --> 01:21:37,790
five four seven two five four eight

1763
01:21:43,090 --> 01:21:40,550
three and that's up on the screen in

1764
01:21:45,160 --> 01:21:43,100
YouTube and I forgot where I was going

1765
01:21:48,250 --> 01:21:45,170
and I started out one question and

1766
01:21:49,330 --> 01:21:48,260
shifted gears into the phone call well

1767
01:21:51,880 --> 01:21:49,340
that's a come up if I could just

1768
01:21:54,700 --> 01:21:51,890
mentioned very quickly if anybody wants

1769
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:54,710
a a lovely Pressey mmm-hmm a summary of

1770
01:21:59,770 --> 01:21:58,250
the West or story several years ago the

1771
01:22:03,580 --> 01:21:59,780
wonderful British researcher Philip

1772
01:22:06,490 --> 01:22:03,590
mantel was the editor of a rather

1773
01:22:09,100 --> 01:22:06,500
short-lived series of UFO magazines

1774
01:22:10,720 --> 01:22:09,110
called UFO matrix and it became a

1775
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:10,730
terrible headache controller for Philip

1776
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:13,250
unfortunately but the several issues of

1777
01:22:16,600 --> 01:22:14,570
the magazine that came out were very

1778
01:22:19,020 --> 01:22:16,610
very good had wonderful production

1779
01:22:23,590 --> 01:22:19,030
values and in one of them this one here

1780
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:23,600
UFO matrix is the first part of a

1781
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:27,170
article about the UFO or the West or UFO

1782
01:22:31,600 --> 01:22:29,900
incident and it continued in the in the

1783
01:22:33,220 --> 01:22:31,610
next edition and you can see there's

1784
01:22:36,370 --> 01:22:33,230
some wonderful artwork here not

1785
01:22:39,340 --> 01:22:36,380
necessarily to be related to the Westall

1786
01:22:41,080 --> 01:22:39,350
incident specifically but if you can get

1787
01:22:43,630 --> 01:22:41,090
your hot your hands on those magazines

1788
01:22:45,160 --> 01:22:43,640
UFO matrix they came out of the United

1789
01:22:47,380 --> 01:22:45,170
Kingdom but they were very widely

1790
01:22:50,200 --> 01:22:47,390
available several years ago that's a

1791
01:22:52,330 --> 01:22:50,210
good place to go to also the City of

1792
01:22:55,390 --> 01:22:52,340
Kingston which is the local government

1793
01:22:57,820 --> 01:22:55,400
area that incorporates Westall the

1794
01:23:01,689 --> 01:22:57,830
in City Council on its historical

1795
01:23:04,780 --> 01:23:01,699
website pages it also has an article

1796
01:23:07,090 --> 01:23:04,790
penned by me about the West Hall story

1797
01:23:10,380 --> 01:23:07,100
and so that's also a very good summation

1798
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:10,390
of what happened way back then

1799
01:23:16,510 --> 01:23:13,850
interesting you know this is probably a

1800
01:23:18,100 --> 01:23:16,520
little bit of an odd question but it

1801
01:23:22,570 --> 01:23:18,110
seems to me when there's an encounter

1802
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:22,580
like this some of the people that go

1803
01:23:27,160 --> 01:23:25,489
through an encounter change I think you

1804
01:23:30,910 --> 01:23:27,170
mentioned that about the police officer

1805
01:23:32,950 --> 01:23:30,920
but there's like there's maybe at some

1806
01:23:34,780 --> 01:23:32,960
type of change that they've noticed has

1807
01:23:38,110 --> 01:23:34,790
anyone talked about anything like that

1808
01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:38,120
or any type of message they thought they

1809
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:40,130
were getting that's another thing you

1810
01:23:44,919 --> 01:23:43,010
often hear about and I know it's a no

1811
01:23:47,229 --> 01:23:44,929
one saw any type of being or anything

1812
01:23:52,140 --> 01:23:47,239
but I'm just wondering if any any any

1813
01:23:54,580 --> 01:23:52,150
claims along those lines were ever made

1814
01:23:56,470 --> 01:23:54,590
you had to mention the Bay War didn't

1815
01:23:58,419 --> 01:23:56,480
show you had to talk about being I was

1816
01:24:01,000 --> 01:23:58,429
really trying to try a stay away from

1817
01:24:02,560 --> 01:24:01,010
that Martin I'm happy to stay with human

1818
01:24:05,020 --> 01:24:02,570
beings but that's a bit of a challenge a

1819
01:24:07,270 --> 01:24:05,030
lot of the time well there are I'll be

1820
01:24:09,700 --> 01:24:07,280
honest with you and there's not much in

1821
01:24:13,000 --> 01:24:09,710
a relation to witness accounts talking

1822
01:24:16,720 --> 01:24:13,010
about beings but there are some there

1823
01:24:20,200 --> 01:24:16,730
are and there are a couple of witnesses

1824
01:24:22,510 --> 01:24:20,210
who have talked about seeing beings

1825
01:24:26,709 --> 01:24:22,520
associated with the Flying Saucer of Pat

1826
01:24:29,649 --> 01:24:26,719
Westall only a couple and they talk

1827
01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:29,659
about the beings has been very

1828
01:24:36,100 --> 01:24:33,050
human-like coming out of the craft were

1829
01:24:38,229 --> 01:24:36,110
in close fitting uniforms a little bit

1830
01:24:41,620 --> 01:24:38,239
like astronaut uniforms but not

1831
01:24:45,130 --> 01:24:41,630
astronaut uniforms and then seeing the

1832
01:24:48,010 --> 01:24:45,140
beam the person going back into the

1833
01:24:49,450 --> 01:24:48,020
craft so it's not a prominent part of

1834
01:24:52,120 --> 01:24:49,460
the story but I'll admit to you that

1835
01:24:54,820 --> 01:24:52,130
it's there and of course my job as the

1836
01:24:57,310 --> 01:24:54,830
researcher is to receive the stories

1837
01:25:01,990 --> 01:24:57,320
accept them try to put them into a

1838
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:02,000
context and to keep an open mind but in

1839
01:25:06,370 --> 01:25:04,370
terms of people being affected you know

1840
01:25:07,990 --> 01:25:06,380
what with all this terrible stuff

1841
01:25:08,920 --> 01:25:08,000
happening at the moment in relation to

1842
01:25:10,990 --> 01:25:08,930
climate change

1843
01:25:12,820 --> 01:25:11,000
and here in Australia we're currently

1844
01:25:15,850 --> 01:25:12,830
experiencing what many people believe is

1845
01:25:19,480 --> 01:25:15,860
the worst drought since the European

1846
01:25:22,210 --> 01:25:19,490
settlement of Australia in 1788 terrible

1847
01:25:25,930 --> 01:25:22,220
drought that a drought well it's the

1848
01:25:28,540 --> 01:25:25,940
worst drought in human memory and human

1849
01:25:33,310 --> 01:25:28,550
records since European settlement at

1850
01:25:34,960 --> 01:25:33,320
least lack of rainfall high temperatures

1851
01:25:36,880 --> 01:25:34,970
the terrible bush fires that are

1852
01:25:38,910 --> 01:25:36,890
happening and it makes me think about

1853
01:25:42,460 --> 01:25:38,920
that other wonderful school-based

1854
01:25:46,900 --> 01:25:42,470
incident which happened in 1994 the over

1855
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:46,910
in Zimbabwe and in roar and the message

1856
01:25:53,980 --> 01:25:50,330
that those kids got from the beings from

1857
01:25:55,540 --> 01:25:53,990
the people that they saw and and and

1858
01:25:59,740 --> 01:25:55,550
receive some sort of communication of

1859
01:26:02,650 --> 01:25:59,750
home that really hasn't happened in the

1860
01:26:04,480 --> 01:26:02,660
West or story but I think some witnesses

1861
01:26:06,580 --> 01:26:04,490
have talked to me about how what

1862
01:26:10,930 --> 01:26:06,590
happened that we're still opening their

1863
01:26:13,990 --> 01:26:10,940
minds to perhaps a larger reality or a

1864
01:26:16,890 --> 01:26:14,000
different reality a change in

1865
01:26:19,260 --> 01:26:16,900
perspective a greater openness and

1866
01:26:25,060 --> 01:26:19,270
certainly perhaps a little bit of

1867
01:26:28,660 --> 01:26:25,070
suspicion around how governments work

1868
01:26:31,570 --> 01:26:28,670
how bureaucracies work how secrets can

1869
01:26:33,520 --> 01:26:31,580
actually be kept from people and and

1870
01:26:35,890 --> 01:26:33,530
being a little bit more sensitive to

1871
01:26:38,020 --> 01:26:35,900
that how about that that's really

1872
01:26:40,420 --> 01:26:38,030
interesting again I just want to say the

1873
01:26:42,210 --> 01:26:40,430
lines are open eight five five four

1874
01:26:45,130 --> 01:26:42,220
seven two five four eight three

1875
01:26:46,930 --> 01:26:45,140
sometimes we get several calls sometimes

1876
01:26:53,410 --> 01:26:46,940
no one calls in so we never know what's

1877
01:26:55,870 --> 01:26:53,420
gonna happen now about James Fox he was

1878
01:26:58,660 --> 01:26:55,880
there as this there's a segment in

1879
01:27:00,400 --> 01:26:58,670
phenomenon his film coming out we have a

1880
01:27:03,520 --> 01:27:00,410
phone call coming in now I'll take that

1881
01:27:05,770 --> 01:27:03,530
in a minute but you got to meet with

1882
01:27:08,380 --> 01:27:05,780
James he's a great guy isn't he he is

1883
01:27:11,530 --> 01:27:08,390
he's a wonderful fellow full of energy

1884
01:27:13,810 --> 01:27:11,540
full of excitement former patient and I

1885
01:27:16,090 --> 01:27:13,820
met his lovely wife Rebecca and this

1886
01:27:18,670 --> 01:27:16,100
beautiful son Holly as well so he came

1887
01:27:21,109 --> 01:27:18,680
out two years ago and we spent the best

1888
01:27:24,589 --> 01:27:21,119
part of a week together in Melbourne

1889
01:27:26,479 --> 01:27:24,599
and we filmed at Westall both at the

1890
01:27:27,919 --> 01:27:26,489
primary school which we haven't talked a

1891
01:27:30,739 --> 01:27:27,929
lot about there were a lot of witnesses

1892
01:27:33,949 --> 01:27:30,749
at the primary school and James and I

1893
01:27:36,500 --> 01:27:33,959
actually addressed in a gathering of the

1894
01:27:38,509 --> 01:27:36,510
kids at the primary school and met one

1895
01:27:41,139 --> 01:27:38,519
of the primary school witnesses who's

1896
01:27:43,729 --> 01:27:41,149
now on staff at the primary school and

1897
01:27:46,339 --> 01:27:43,739
we filmed at the high school as well

1898
01:27:50,119 --> 01:27:46,349
down at the Grange we had quite a few of

1899
01:27:51,500 --> 01:27:50,129
the West or witnesses there and we

1900
01:27:54,049 --> 01:27:51,510
actually did some filming with some

1901
01:27:57,919 --> 01:27:54,059
other people associated with the West or

1902
01:28:01,489 --> 01:27:57,929
story and people who had not really ever

1903
01:28:04,040 --> 01:28:01,499
been filmed before I had not really

1904
01:28:05,989 --> 01:28:04,050
spoken in public before and I'm

1905
01:28:08,389 --> 01:28:05,999
remaining hopeful I don't know of course

1906
01:28:10,939 --> 01:28:08,399
this is up to James and his team but I'm

1907
01:28:14,029 --> 01:28:10,949
remaining hopeful but at least part of

1908
01:28:17,330 --> 01:28:14,039
that will be indeed featured in his

1909
01:28:19,639 --> 01:28:17,340
upcoming film the phenomenon yeah I

1910
01:28:23,839 --> 01:28:19,649
can't wait for that to come out okay so

1911
01:28:25,330 --> 01:28:23,849
we have a call we have Dale Dale is

1912
01:28:29,989 --> 01:28:25,340
calling from Arizona

1913
01:28:34,089 --> 01:28:29,999
welcome to the show Dale hey it's great

1914
01:28:36,889 --> 01:28:34,099
to be here thank you I love being apart

1915
01:28:41,629 --> 01:28:36,899
all right great you have a question for

1916
01:28:44,330 --> 01:28:41,639
our guest tonight um actually I was just

1917
01:28:47,020 --> 01:28:44,340
calling in and and talking to race just

1918
01:28:51,469 --> 01:28:47,030
kind of rekindle a friendship I I

1919
01:28:53,689 --> 01:28:51,479
apologize it's kind of a probably a

1920
01:28:56,330 --> 01:28:53,699
glitch on the system but what's what's

1921
01:29:02,989 --> 01:28:56,340
the discussion that probably has a great

1922
01:29:07,250 --> 01:29:02,999
insight okay and I'm sorry did you have

1923
01:29:08,929 --> 01:29:07,260
a question for our guest I'm sorry I

1924
01:29:11,149 --> 01:29:08,939
don't because I haven't been paying

1925
01:29:15,339 --> 01:29:11,159
attention okay

1926
01:29:17,959 --> 01:29:15,349
I was I was just calling in for race I

1927
01:29:19,879 --> 01:29:17,969
okay all right well well thanks for the

1928
01:29:22,580 --> 01:29:19,889
call you can call calling them back in

1929
01:29:25,129 --> 01:29:22,590
another time all right all right so we

1930
01:29:27,639 --> 01:29:25,139
have another caller coming coming aboard

1931
01:29:29,359 --> 01:29:27,649
here in a minute they're just the

1932
01:29:33,529 --> 01:29:29,369
hopefully he's going to be screening

1933
01:29:34,940 --> 01:29:33,539
that a little better and sorry about

1934
01:29:37,970 --> 01:29:34,950
that everyone

1935
01:29:40,390 --> 01:29:37,980
and so Mike will be on the line here in

1936
01:29:43,670 --> 01:29:40,400
just a second he's calling from

1937
01:29:46,190 --> 01:29:43,680
Cincinnati I think that's where he's

1938
01:29:46,630 --> 01:29:46,200
gone from Mike welcome to the show yes

1939
01:29:50,210 --> 01:29:46,640
sir

1940
01:29:53,660 --> 01:29:50,220
well I'm Martin hi Tom I wanted to ask

1941
01:29:56,330 --> 01:29:53,670
him if he's talked to I believe he said

1942
01:29:59,750 --> 01:29:56,340
a hundred and seventeen witnesses how

1943
01:30:03,670 --> 01:29:59,760
many folks in all is estimated witnessed

1944
01:30:06,110 --> 01:30:03,680
this that day it's one of my questions

1945
01:30:09,350 --> 01:30:06,120
sure thank you that was a very good

1946
01:30:10,910 --> 01:30:09,360
question so I guess I have been in

1947
01:30:13,460 --> 01:30:10,920
contact with a hundred and seventeen

1948
01:30:17,020 --> 01:30:13,470
people who were witnesses to the Flying

1949
01:30:20,930 --> 01:30:17,030
Saucer of flying saucers 165 who saw the

1950
01:30:23,480 --> 01:30:20,940
circles the ground marks left behind and

1951
01:30:26,900 --> 01:30:23,490
object is a subset of about 70 people

1952
01:30:30,290 --> 01:30:26,910
who saw both the flying saucer and the

1953
01:30:31,940 --> 01:30:30,300
circles in terms of the total number and

1954
01:30:34,610 --> 01:30:31,950
Roy Greenwood the science teacher at

1955
01:30:36,500 --> 01:30:34,620
Westall high school at the time he's on

1956
01:30:38,750 --> 01:30:36,510
the record as saying about

1957
01:30:42,320 --> 01:30:38,760
three-quarters of the school population

1958
01:30:44,780 --> 01:30:42,330
was out on the sports ground witnessing

1959
01:30:48,530 --> 01:30:44,790
the event as it unfolded and there are

1960
01:30:52,970 --> 01:30:48,540
about 585 kids at the school at the time

1961
01:30:56,300 --> 01:30:52,980
and about 25 staff so something like 600

1962
01:30:59,150 --> 01:30:56,310
people in total and three-quarters of

1963
01:31:02,300 --> 01:30:59,160
that around about where witnesses at the

1964
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:02,310
high school and so I've always said well

1965
01:31:06,800 --> 01:31:05,130
you you can quite safely say was

1966
01:31:09,680 --> 01:31:06,810
something it was certainly in the

1967
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:09,690
hundreds it was two three four hundred

1968
01:31:14,480 --> 01:31:12,960
people one can't be of course absolute

1969
01:31:16,820 --> 01:31:14,490
about this but it was that sort of

1970
01:31:19,490 --> 01:31:16,830
number and so pretty significant and

1971
01:31:21,470 --> 01:31:19,500
remembering broad daylight in the

1972
01:31:25,970 --> 01:31:21,480
suburbs of Australia's second largest

1973
01:31:29,140 --> 01:31:25,980
city so significant very significant

1974
01:31:32,090 --> 01:31:29,150
another thing when you held up the

1975
01:31:34,130 --> 01:31:32,100
newspaper that did publish the story and

1976
01:31:36,830 --> 01:31:34,140
you turned it around to the backside I

1977
01:31:39,470 --> 01:31:36,840
believe is another story you were trying

1978
01:31:44,240 --> 01:31:39,480
to point out I saw the headline said who

1979
01:31:48,090 --> 01:31:44,250
were the five pilot was that related so

1980
01:31:51,300 --> 01:31:48,100
that's this one here so this is the

1981
01:31:54,180 --> 01:31:51,310
a second article that appeared in this

1982
01:31:56,670 --> 01:31:54,190
newspaper is related yes so who were

1983
01:31:59,460 --> 01:31:56,680
five pilots that's the newspaper asking

1984
01:32:02,130 --> 01:31:59,470
the story who were the five pilots that

1985
01:32:05,040 --> 01:32:02,140
were seen who were piloting the planes

1986
01:32:07,680 --> 01:32:05,050
that were seen sailing on lying saucer

1987
01:32:08,820 --> 01:32:07,690
at the time so five claims five pilots

1988
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:08,830
who were they

1989
01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:10,570
efforts were made at the time to work

1990
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:13,000
out where the planes had come from who

1991
01:32:18,720 --> 01:32:16,690
the pilots were that all drew blanks

1992
01:32:19,980 --> 01:32:18,730
no one could work out who they were one

1993
01:32:23,490 --> 01:32:19,990
of the teachers at the high school at

1994
01:32:26,040 --> 01:32:23,500
the time made a phone call within 30

1995
01:32:29,490 --> 01:32:26,050
minutes of the incident happening to the

1996
01:32:31,410 --> 01:32:29,500
airport the local airport and and they

1997
01:32:36,230 --> 01:32:31,420
were given short shrift given no

1998
01:32:40,230 --> 01:32:36,240
information at all one final question

1999
01:32:44,760 --> 01:32:40,240
the the two girls that were affected by

2000
01:32:47,460 --> 01:32:44,770
being close to the UFO was that for an

2001
01:32:49,800 --> 01:32:47,470
effect of the thing taken off do you

2002
01:32:51,810 --> 01:32:49,810
know what were they knocked back or

2003
01:32:55,800 --> 01:32:51,820
fainted because it was leaving at that

2004
01:33:01,260 --> 01:32:55,810
point so that's something that's not

2005
01:33:04,440 --> 01:33:01,270
known I don't know obviously the timing

2006
01:33:06,540 --> 01:33:04,450
is a little bit hard to ascertain when

2007
01:33:08,810 --> 01:33:06,550
one of the witnesses arrived on the

2008
01:33:12,600 --> 01:33:08,820
scene the object was apparently

2009
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:12,610
stationary just above the ground and one

2010
01:33:17,430 --> 01:33:14,800
of the girls were still on the ground

2011
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:17,440
one was recovering and then a few

2012
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:20,560
seconds after that it seems the object

2013
01:33:27,090 --> 01:33:24,010
began to ascend and then tilted into the

2014
01:33:29,460 --> 01:33:27,100
vertical plane and took off so it sounds

2015
01:33:31,470 --> 01:33:29,470
like it happened before it was lifting

2016
01:33:33,750 --> 01:33:31,480
off but I'll be honest with you it's

2017
01:33:37,620 --> 01:33:33,760
hard of course to be again completely

2018
01:33:40,290 --> 01:33:37,630
absolute about that well thank you very

2019
01:33:43,740 --> 01:33:40,300
much for taking my call pleasure thank

2020
01:33:46,830 --> 01:33:43,750
you oh you're very welcome all right

2021
01:33:51,060 --> 01:33:46,840
Mike so we have another call coming in

2022
01:33:52,200 --> 01:33:51,070
and I think we're all set to take Andy

2023
01:33:56,580 --> 01:33:52,210
from Connecticut

2024
01:33:59,280 --> 01:33:56,590
welcome back Andy hi thanks for taking

2025
01:34:01,709 --> 01:33:59,290
my call guys great show as always I just

2026
01:34:04,620 --> 01:34:01,719
wanted to ask real quick

2027
01:34:06,540 --> 01:34:04,630
if your guest was able to get a sense

2028
01:34:08,670 --> 01:34:06,550
from all of the people he's interviewed

2029
01:34:12,810 --> 01:34:08,680
how many feel as though they were

2030
01:34:16,890 --> 01:34:12,820
definitely intimidated by the military

2031
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:16,900
or police at the school and if they feel

2032
01:34:22,770 --> 01:34:19,690
that any US military people were

2033
01:34:29,280 --> 01:34:22,780
involved how clear is their memory of

2034
01:34:32,220 --> 01:34:29,290
that event all right Andy thank you very

2035
01:34:33,450 --> 01:34:32,230
much thank you guys Mike let's make it

2036
01:34:35,250 --> 01:34:33,460
more international let's get the

2037
01:34:37,260 --> 01:34:35,260
Americans involved because that's always

2038
01:34:42,750 --> 01:34:37,270
trouble isn't it but um I'm sorry only

2039
01:34:45,270 --> 01:34:42,760
tricky in terms of intimidation the

2040
01:34:49,350 --> 01:34:45,280
majority of the sense of intimidation or

2041
01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:49,360
threat really I guess was mediated

2042
01:34:56,040 --> 01:34:52,030
through the the school Authority so it

2043
01:34:57,890 --> 01:34:56,050
came via the headmaster or the deputy

2044
01:35:00,810 --> 01:34:57,900
headmaster or one or two of the

2045
01:35:04,260 --> 01:35:00,820
executive teachers so it was really

2046
01:35:06,390 --> 01:35:04,270
coming through the school and you can

2047
01:35:07,560 --> 01:35:06,400
understand why that may have been as I

2048
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:07,570
mentioned before they were trying to

2049
01:35:11,490 --> 01:35:09,610
keep a lid on things trying to protect

2050
01:35:15,780 --> 01:35:11,500
the safety the welfare of the students

2051
01:35:17,520 --> 01:35:15,790
as well as the staff in the school but

2052
01:35:20,670 --> 01:35:17,530
there are witnesses a lot of witnesses

2053
01:35:22,800 --> 01:35:20,680
who talked about at the Assembly it

2054
01:35:25,260 --> 01:35:22,810
being an extra presence it wasn't just

2055
01:35:27,420 --> 01:35:25,270
the headmaster and the staff there were

2056
01:35:29,490 --> 01:35:27,430
people there in uniform there were

2057
01:35:31,110 --> 01:35:29,500
people there in suits people remember

2058
01:35:33,090 --> 01:35:31,120
differently some people remember both

2059
01:35:35,310 --> 01:35:33,100
and these were people who had never been

2060
01:35:37,380 --> 01:35:35,320
at the school before some people talked

2061
01:35:40,550 --> 01:35:37,390
about there being military people

2062
01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:40,560
walking the corridors of the school and

2063
01:35:46,890 --> 01:35:43,330
the message was given at that assembly

2064
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:46,900
on either directly from these government

2065
01:35:52,229 --> 01:35:49,630
people or through the headmaster that

2066
01:35:54,810 --> 01:35:52,239
they will keep the table to keep quiet

2067
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:54,820
about this that it was nothing to do

2068
01:35:59,280 --> 01:35:57,010
with flying saucers but it was perhaps

2069
01:36:00,720 --> 01:35:59,290
some secret government program and it

2070
01:36:04,140 --> 01:36:00,730
wasn't to be discussed it was something

2071
01:36:06,660 --> 01:36:04,150
experimental and they were to keep quiet

2072
01:36:09,570 --> 01:36:06,670
so a lot of witnesses talked about that

2073
01:36:11,310 --> 01:36:09,580
again another aspect of the story is

2074
01:36:14,939 --> 01:36:11,320
what happened when the kids went home

2075
01:36:16,859 --> 01:36:14,949
and it was a varied experience for some

2076
01:36:19,319 --> 01:36:16,869
the students when they went home they

2077
01:36:22,350 --> 01:36:19,329
were received the story was received

2078
01:36:24,120 --> 01:36:22,360
with open hands their parents wanted to

2079
01:36:25,890 --> 01:36:24,130
know they wanted to hear all about him

2080
01:36:28,979 --> 01:36:25,900
for other kids that was a different

2081
01:36:32,279 --> 01:36:28,989
experience their parents wanted nothing

2082
01:36:34,949 --> 01:36:32,289
to do with this story or they were

2083
01:36:35,850 --> 01:36:34,959
simply uninterested I didn't want to

2084
01:36:38,609 --> 01:36:35,860
hear about it at all

2085
01:36:39,449 --> 01:36:38,619
and discussion within the family around

2086
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:39,459
the dinner table

2087
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:43,329
what I just didn't happen and that seems

2088
01:36:48,810 --> 01:36:45,010
to have any experience for most of the

2089
01:36:52,770 --> 01:36:48,820
witnesses that at the time or afterwards

2090
01:36:55,709 --> 01:36:52,780
their story was met with ridicule or

2091
01:36:57,359 --> 01:36:55,719
disinterest and in a way you can

2092
01:36:59,520 --> 01:36:57,369
understand it because I think we all

2093
01:37:02,040 --> 01:36:59,530
have the experience any of us who have

2094
01:37:03,959 --> 01:37:02,050
children our kids often come home or

2095
01:37:05,370 --> 01:37:03,969
they come into the room and they're

2096
01:37:07,379 --> 01:37:05,380
talking about something they've seen or

2097
01:37:10,020 --> 01:37:07,389
something that's happened and almost our

2098
01:37:12,750 --> 01:37:10,030
initial reaction I think as an adult is

2099
01:37:14,699 --> 01:37:12,760
to be skeptical to be disbelieving

2100
01:37:17,040 --> 01:37:14,709
because they're kids it's sort of a

2101
01:37:19,410 --> 01:37:17,050
natural reaction so in a way it's

2102
01:37:21,060 --> 01:37:19,420
understandable but in relation to an

2103
01:37:26,330 --> 01:37:21,070
incident like this a story like this

2104
01:37:29,759 --> 01:37:26,340
it's very very unfortunate right right I

2105
01:37:32,969 --> 01:37:29,769
want to move on to other Australian

2106
01:37:34,469 --> 01:37:32,979
cases so but I will say that will still

2107
01:37:36,750 --> 01:37:34,479
take calls if someone wants to talk

2108
01:37:39,810 --> 01:37:36,760
about this case and that number again is

2109
01:37:43,830 --> 01:37:39,820
eight five five four seven two five four

2110
01:37:47,759 --> 01:37:43,840
eight three and so what are well would

2111
01:37:50,540 --> 01:37:47,769
you consider this the top UFO incident

2112
01:37:55,140 --> 01:37:50,550
in Australia or does something else

2113
01:37:56,819 --> 01:37:55,150
Trump that it's hard to gripe these

2114
01:37:59,399 --> 01:37:56,829
things of course but mmm in terms of

2115
01:38:02,239 --> 01:37:59,409
being a mass witness sighting it's

2116
01:38:05,540 --> 01:38:02,249
certainly the biggest mass witness

2117
01:38:09,449 --> 01:38:05,550
daylight sighting of at least one

2118
01:38:11,009 --> 01:38:09,459
probably more UFOs and so it's it's

2119
01:38:13,919 --> 01:38:11,019
right up there Martin and I think in

2120
01:38:15,989 --> 01:38:13,929
terms of on the International at the

2121
01:38:18,089 --> 01:38:15,999
international level it's right up there

2122
01:38:20,009 --> 01:38:18,099
in terms of a mass witness daylight

2123
01:38:22,199 --> 01:38:20,019
sighting and also taking into account

2124
01:38:26,819 --> 01:38:22,209
the response to it by the government

2125
01:38:28,530 --> 01:38:26,829
authorities and when this story became

2126
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:28,540
better known through Rosie Joan

2127
01:38:35,010 --> 01:38:31,570
documentary Westall 66 and the other

2128
01:38:37,830 --> 01:38:35,020
media that's covered the story over the

2129
01:38:41,160 --> 01:38:37,840
years every time there's something on TV

2130
01:38:44,580 --> 01:38:41,170
or in a newspaper in a magazine I get

2131
01:38:47,430 --> 01:38:44,590
contacted by new witnesses to this

2132
01:38:51,000 --> 01:38:47,440
incident quite often and sometimes

2133
01:38:52,710 --> 01:38:51,010
witnesses to similar incidents and so

2134
01:38:56,010 --> 01:38:52,720
over the years I've gathered this small

2135
01:38:58,740 --> 01:38:56,020
collection of other school-based

2136
01:39:02,370 --> 01:38:58,750
sightings that have happened in

2137
01:39:05,790 --> 01:39:02,380
Australia and one of them happened only

2138
01:39:09,270 --> 01:39:05,800
about 20 kilometres away two years later

2139
01:39:12,030 --> 01:39:09,280
in another Melbourne school another high

2140
01:39:13,350 --> 01:39:12,040
school and there was a small article

2141
01:39:15,690 --> 01:39:13,360
about it

2142
01:39:18,150 --> 01:39:15,700
I knew her list from the aged newspaper

2143
01:39:20,250 --> 01:39:18,160
went to the school to talk to the kids

2144
01:39:22,590 --> 01:39:20,260
about becoming a journalist about

2145
01:39:25,020 --> 01:39:22,600
journalism he got to the school gate and

2146
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:25,030
all the kids wanted to talk about was

2147
01:39:29,310 --> 01:39:27,280
the UFO that they'd just seen hovering

2148
01:39:31,380 --> 01:39:29,320
about the school flying over the school

2149
01:39:33,570 --> 01:39:31,390
and so that's what he ended up writing

2150
01:39:35,370 --> 01:39:33,580
about the next day in the newspaper and

2151
01:39:37,050 --> 01:39:35,380
then that story was gone

2152
01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:37,060
was lost nobody else ever talked about

2153
01:39:41,460 --> 01:39:39,910
it was never reported again I stumbled

2154
01:39:44,760 --> 01:39:41,470
across it going through the newspaper

2155
01:39:46,650 --> 01:39:44,770
archives made contact with some of those

2156
01:39:49,200 --> 01:39:46,660
people who were there that day through

2157
01:39:51,240 --> 01:39:49,210
Facebook through email was ever able to

2158
01:39:53,490 --> 01:39:51,250
gather information about that story and

2159
01:39:58,800 --> 01:39:53,500
so there are some other similar stories

2160
01:40:01,760 --> 01:39:58,810
like that not many I don't think but I'm

2161
01:40:04,530 --> 01:40:01,770
cautious when I say that now ever since

2162
01:40:07,530 --> 01:40:04,540
Preston Dennett came along with that

2163
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:07,540
wonderful book that he's just published

2164
01:40:12,930 --> 01:40:10,000
about school based UFO sightings and he

2165
01:40:14,880 --> 01:40:12,940
blew my socks off with how many that he

2166
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:14,890
had discovered I can't believe it I know

2167
01:40:21,870 --> 01:40:18,070
it was 100 something wonderful wonderful

2168
01:40:24,360 --> 01:40:21,880
and some of them I did know about but

2169
01:40:26,940 --> 01:40:24,370
most of them I did not and I think he's

2170
01:40:28,410 --> 01:40:26,950
done a terrific job unearthing the

2171
01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:28,420
number that he has done and they were

2172
01:40:31,770 --> 01:40:30,280
probably more out there but he hasn't

2173
01:40:34,710 --> 01:40:31,780
found but he's done a wonderful job and

2174
01:40:37,260 --> 01:40:34,720
so it's really this important subset I

2175
01:40:41,910 --> 01:40:37,270
think within the UFO phenomena of

2176
01:40:44,130 --> 01:40:41,920
sightings and like Preston asks

2177
01:40:48,570 --> 01:40:44,140
loud as he did on your program a few

2178
01:40:51,600 --> 01:40:48,580
weeks ago what does it mean why do UFOs

2179
01:40:54,419 --> 01:40:51,610
appear above schools why is there this

2180
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:54,429
interaction between the kids and the

2181
01:41:01,310 --> 01:40:57,910
UFOs what are we supposed to take from

2182
01:41:06,270 --> 01:41:01,320
that and of course it's an open question

2183
01:41:09,300 --> 01:41:06,280
but it's a fascinating one and for me my

2184
01:41:12,090 --> 01:41:09,310
eyes were really opened when again I

2185
01:41:15,090 --> 01:41:12,100
made a trip to Sydney to talk to the UFO

2186
01:41:17,130 --> 01:41:15,100
research New South Wales organization at

2187
01:41:19,290 --> 01:41:17,140
one of their meetings several years ago

2188
01:41:21,689 --> 01:41:19,300
and one of their members walked up to me

2189
01:41:22,890 --> 01:41:21,699
and said Shane do you know about the UFO

2190
01:41:25,530 --> 01:41:22,900
sighting that happened at the school

2191
01:41:28,650 --> 01:41:25,540
school called Crestview elementary

2192
01:41:32,459 --> 01:41:28,660
school in opa-locka in Florida in the

2193
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:32,469
suburbs of Miami in 1967 I said no I

2194
01:41:36,630 --> 01:41:34,690
know nothing about that I'd gone to the

2195
01:41:39,090 --> 01:41:36,640
meeting to address the members about the

2196
01:41:41,550 --> 01:41:39,100
Westall story and he showed me this book

2197
01:41:43,410 --> 01:41:41,560
this wonderful book you probably know

2198
01:41:46,890 --> 01:41:43,420
about Martin written by the Lorenz and

2199
01:41:49,860 --> 01:41:46,900
it's back in the 1960s called UFOs over

2200
01:41:53,160 --> 01:41:49,870
the Americas and there's a whole section

2201
01:41:55,350 --> 01:41:53,170
in the book which details the Crestview

2202
01:41:57,540 --> 01:41:55,360
elementary school incident which

2203
01:42:02,070 --> 01:41:57,550
happened exactly

2204
01:42:06,300 --> 01:42:02,080
a year to the day a sixth of April 1967

2205
01:42:08,790 --> 01:42:06,310
a year to the day and there are so many

2206
01:42:10,520 --> 01:42:08,800
elements of the story and it was an

2207
01:42:13,110 --> 01:42:10,530
incident which happened over three days

2208
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:13,120
and not many people know that Westall

2209
01:42:17,850 --> 01:42:15,610
also was an incident which involves

2210
01:42:20,220 --> 01:42:17,860
several days I didn't know other

2211
01:42:22,919 --> 01:42:20,230
sightings Wow there were sightings yes

2212
01:42:24,540 --> 01:42:22,929
by several witnesses in the day and the

2213
01:42:30,090 --> 01:42:24,550
following days up to the following

2214
01:42:30,720 --> 01:42:30,100
weekend of the same shaped object over

2215
01:42:34,740 --> 01:42:30,730
Westall

2216
01:42:36,570 --> 01:42:34,750
by the same kids and and the same thing

2217
01:42:39,300 --> 01:42:36,580
happened at Crestview in the suburbs of

2218
01:42:42,300 --> 01:42:39,310
Miami and so many other elements the air

2219
01:42:45,720 --> 01:42:42,310
force going to Crestview the police the

2220
01:42:48,780 --> 01:42:45,730
flying saucers descending and ascending

2221
01:42:50,900 --> 01:42:48,790
behind pine trees on the other side of

2222
01:42:53,910 --> 01:42:50,910
the road from where the school was

2223
01:42:55,410 --> 01:42:53,920
ground marks being found in the field

2224
01:42:58,950 --> 01:42:55,420
near the school so

2225
01:43:01,229 --> 01:42:58,960
cause of discolored grass kids being

2226
01:43:03,419 --> 01:43:01,239
told not to talk about it the science

2227
01:43:05,910 --> 01:43:03,429
teacher at the elementary school being

2228
01:43:08,100 --> 01:43:05,920
one of the protagonists at the Crestview

2229
01:43:12,450 --> 01:43:08,110
sighting just like it Westall it's

2230
01:43:15,110 --> 01:43:12,460
almost as if it's almost as if our minds

2231
01:43:17,580 --> 01:43:15,120
are being played with in some way that

2232
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:17,590
someone somewhere has this wonderful

2233
01:43:22,620 --> 01:43:21,010
sense of humor and of course as human

2234
01:43:24,390 --> 01:43:22,630
beings we'd like to see patterns in

2235
01:43:26,550 --> 01:43:24,400
things we like to put the pieces

2236
01:43:28,620 --> 01:43:26,560
together and discover patterns where

2237
01:43:31,080 --> 01:43:28,630
perhaps patterns don't really exist but

2238
01:43:34,110 --> 01:43:31,090
when you see coincidences like is

2239
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:34,120
involving dates and ages of kids and

2240
01:43:40,740 --> 01:43:36,730
people and it's hard not to get a little

2241
01:43:43,140 --> 01:43:40,750
bit curious about it all yeah especially

2242
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:43,150
if they would follow our calendar who

2243
01:43:47,939 --> 01:43:46,000
knows what their calendar would be to be

2244
01:43:51,209 --> 01:43:47,949
when you we have a run

2245
01:43:55,380 --> 01:43:51,219
Ron is calling from Minnesota hi Ron

2246
01:43:57,180 --> 01:43:55,390
welcome to the show hi Martin glad to be

2247
01:44:01,260 --> 01:43:57,190
here inviting you have a live show

2248
01:44:04,850 --> 01:44:01,270
tonight thank you and hello saying hello

2249
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:04,860
and I had a question for your cane

2250
01:44:10,380 --> 01:44:08,170
nothing and maybe for Martin to both of

2251
01:44:13,770 --> 01:44:10,390
you can answer it out of all of your

2252
01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:13,780
investigations of this subject or topic

2253
01:44:20,910 --> 01:44:17,260
have you ever seen one in real life

2254
01:44:25,080 --> 01:44:20,920
and what do you think or who do you

2255
01:44:27,709 --> 01:44:25,090
think they are all Mawson you should

2256
01:44:29,790 --> 01:44:27,719
definitely go first with that one okay

2257
01:44:32,280 --> 01:44:29,800
well just to let you know we only have

2258
01:44:35,459 --> 01:44:32,290
about four minutes left so we have we're

2259
01:44:37,350 --> 01:44:35,469
in a tight well yeah I had a sighting I

2260
01:44:41,189 --> 01:44:37,360
actually have talked about a number of

2261
01:44:44,580 --> 01:44:41,199
times I hate to be redundant so I'll but

2262
01:44:47,640 --> 01:44:44,590
it was it was I would I consider kind of

2263
01:44:50,100 --> 01:44:47,650
a boring sighting but it was a flying

2264
01:44:53,360 --> 01:44:50,110
saucer I mean as close as you can say to

2265
01:44:56,939 --> 01:44:53,370
what I saw was a perfect disc in

2266
01:44:58,860 --> 01:44:56,949
California several years ago and it was

2267
01:45:00,209 --> 01:44:58,870
you know I tried to report it and I

2268
01:45:02,340 --> 01:45:00,219
didn't know who to report or - and all

2269
01:45:04,380 --> 01:45:02,350
that stuff wasn't anything fantastical

2270
01:45:07,890 --> 01:45:04,390
but it's still the thing that baffled me

2271
01:45:09,140 --> 01:45:07,900
the most was the no sound part of it I

2272
01:45:10,850 --> 01:45:09,150
couldn't understand that

2273
01:45:12,680 --> 01:45:10,860
when it was moving and all that but

2274
01:45:17,030 --> 01:45:12,690
Shane go ahead did you ever have any

2275
01:45:19,040 --> 01:45:17,040
type of sighting in a sense I did a few

2276
01:45:20,750 --> 01:45:19,050
years ago I traveled to a country town

2277
01:45:23,450 --> 01:45:20,760
about two hours from where I live here

2278
01:45:25,970 --> 01:45:23,460
in Canberra where my grandparents had

2279
01:45:27,770 --> 01:45:25,980
been married and I was going to visit

2280
01:45:29,960 --> 01:45:27,780
the church with our married to have a

2281
01:45:32,690 --> 01:45:29,970
look and as I was driving as I was

2282
01:45:37,640 --> 01:45:32,700
getting closer to the town I saw this

2283
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:37,650
series of round white light disks that

2284
01:45:44,030 --> 01:45:40,290
was sort of a bit fluffy high up in the

2285
01:45:46,130 --> 01:45:44,040
sky in a formation racing across the sky

2286
01:45:49,700 --> 01:45:46,140
and as I was travelling along the road

2287
01:45:51,320 --> 01:45:49,710
in my car trying to keep looking at them

2288
01:45:54,080 --> 01:45:51,330
as I'm driving and looking out the

2289
01:45:56,390 --> 01:45:54,090
window and out of the windscreen and I

2290
01:45:59,120 --> 01:45:56,400
stopped the car at a town just before

2291
01:46:00,980 --> 01:45:59,130
the town I was going to and stopped the

2292
01:46:03,140 --> 01:46:00,990
car at this rest spot where there were

2293
01:46:05,150 --> 01:46:03,150
people serving coffee and I got out and

2294
01:46:07,340 --> 01:46:05,160
I could still see them in the sky flying

2295
01:46:09,830 --> 01:46:07,350
over and I talked to the people who were

2296
01:46:11,300 --> 01:46:09,840
there and they hadn't noticed them and

2297
01:46:12,770 --> 01:46:11,310
they didn't seem to be paying much

2298
01:46:14,570 --> 01:46:12,780
attention to them even after I had

2299
01:46:16,070 --> 01:46:14,580
pointed it out to them you know have

2300
01:46:20,420 --> 01:46:16,080
these mysterious things sometimes happen

2301
01:46:22,100 --> 01:46:20,430
with UFO encounters so there were UFOs

2302
01:46:23,990 --> 01:46:22,110
because I they were flying and I

2303
01:46:26,120 --> 01:46:24,000
couldn't identify them never seen

2304
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:26,130
anything like it before but who knows

2305
01:46:32,390 --> 01:46:28,560
what they were yeah I have the same I

2306
01:46:34,550 --> 01:46:32,400
have no idea what they were but thank

2307
01:46:37,460 --> 01:46:34,560
you all Ron Thank You Shane all right

2308
01:46:39,320 --> 01:46:37,470
I'm gonna read right right all right

2309
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:39,330
yeah that's gonna be it for calls for us

2310
01:46:51,220 --> 01:46:45,050
tonight we only have a few minutes left

2311
01:46:54,080 --> 01:46:51,230
so I think with that few minutes there

2312
01:46:55,880 --> 01:46:54,090
the interesting part I think about this

2313
01:46:59,840 --> 01:46:55,890
is the aftermath and that's still after

2314
01:47:02,570 --> 01:46:59,850
50 years people come forward and talk

2315
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:02,580
about it and I was just also wondering

2316
01:47:08,660 --> 01:47:06,090
were there any other type of like farmer

2317
01:47:12,520 --> 01:47:08,670
or anything like that that said they

2318
01:47:15,650 --> 01:47:12,530
they saw this thing as well this

2319
01:47:19,700 --> 01:47:15,660
incident besides you know schoolchildren

2320
01:47:21,010 --> 01:47:19,710
and teachers they were so excuse me not

2321
01:47:23,680 --> 01:47:21,020
there were a lot of

2322
01:47:26,950 --> 01:47:23,690
residents in the Westall area who were

2323
01:47:28,420 --> 01:47:26,960
also witnesses and one of them had been

2324
01:47:30,580 --> 01:47:28,430
a student at Westall high school a

2325
01:47:32,680 --> 01:47:30,590
couple of years earlier and was working

2326
01:47:33,490 --> 01:47:32,690
as a farmhand he was only 16 years old

2327
01:47:35,979 --> 01:47:33,500
at the time

2328
01:47:38,470 --> 01:47:35,989
but he was working as a farmhand in the

2329
01:47:41,200 --> 01:47:38,480
Market Garden adjacent to the Grange

2330
01:47:43,350 --> 01:47:41,210
with his boss who was a man in his late

2331
01:47:47,950 --> 01:47:43,360
20s I think at that point and another

2332
01:47:50,440 --> 01:47:47,960
man in his early 20s and they witnessed

2333
01:47:53,530 --> 01:47:50,450
the Flying Saucer coming down towards

2334
01:47:56,590 --> 01:47:53,540
the pine trees at the Grange and Paul

2335
01:47:58,300 --> 01:47:56,600
who was the witness says it wasn't in it

2336
01:48:00,100 --> 01:47:58,310
what it didn't look in the same way as

2337
01:48:02,440 --> 01:48:00,110
the kids have described it over the

2338
01:48:05,050 --> 01:48:02,450
years for him it looked as though it was

2339
01:48:08,770 --> 01:48:05,060
something being projected into the sky

2340
01:48:10,890 --> 01:48:08,780
and it was solid to begin with and then

2341
01:48:13,750 --> 01:48:10,900
as a trouble down towards the Grange

2342
01:48:16,470 --> 01:48:13,760
towards the pine trees it began to

2343
01:48:19,170 --> 01:48:16,480
change and became gradually more

2344
01:48:22,750 --> 01:48:19,180
translucent and then eventually almost

2345
01:48:25,810 --> 01:48:22,760
transparent with these colors blues and

2346
01:48:28,050 --> 01:48:25,820
purples and greens in the mix and it

2347
01:48:31,180 --> 01:48:28,060
flew into the grove of pine trees and

2348
01:48:32,979 --> 01:48:31,190
the pine trees didn't move and the

2349
01:48:36,070 --> 01:48:32,989
Flying Saucer are the object didn't come

2350
01:48:38,320 --> 01:48:36,080
out the other side it just vanished and

2351
01:48:41,770 --> 01:48:38,330
something just like this happened to

2352
01:48:44,650 --> 01:48:41,780
Crestview a year later and all three of

2353
01:48:46,420 --> 01:48:44,660
these boys and men saw this and then

2354
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:46,430
they saw the kids from Westall high

2355
01:48:50,620 --> 01:48:48,890
school coming rushing down chasing

2356
01:48:53,110 --> 01:48:50,630
whatever it was that they had seen the

2357
01:48:56,590 --> 01:48:53,120
same object presumably and then 20

2358
01:48:59,110 --> 01:48:56,600
minutes later two army trucks and two

2359
01:49:00,940 --> 01:48:59,120
Land Rovers full of about 20 soldiers

2360
01:49:03,270 --> 01:49:00,950
turned up in the neighboring paddock

2361
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:03,280
with trucks full of equipment and

2362
01:49:10,810 --> 01:49:07,040
started looking for what they had seen

2363
01:49:12,760 --> 01:49:10,820
and started investigating well and so

2364
01:49:14,770 --> 01:49:12,770
there were other witnesses it wasn't

2365
01:49:16,630 --> 01:49:14,780
just the school kids and the teachers at

2366
01:49:17,260 --> 01:49:16,640
the schools well we are totally out of

2367
01:49:19,930 --> 01:49:17,270
time

2368
01:49:21,220 --> 01:49:19,940
thanks so much it was uh it was fun as

2369
01:49:23,320 --> 01:49:21,230
always talking to you I really

2370
01:49:24,940 --> 01:49:23,330
appreciate it and you take care thank

2371
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:24,950
you mom take care of yourself thank you

2372
01:49:30,250 --> 01:49:27,440
alright alright everyone so that is it

2373
01:49:34,120 --> 01:49:30,260
for the show this evening and as I

2374
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:34,130
mentioned if you are listening to

2375
01:49:40,930 --> 01:49:37,850
this show on YouTube you want to click

2376
01:49:42,910 --> 01:49:40,940
that bell next to the subscription to

2377
01:49:44,080 --> 01:49:42,920
subscribe button there to get a

2378
01:49:45,790 --> 01:49:44,090
notification because I don't know

2379
01:49:47,680 --> 01:49:45,800
exactly what I'm gonna have the next

2380
01:49:49,090 --> 01:49:47,690
show and who's going to be on remember

2381
01:49:51,220 --> 01:49:49,100
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2382
01:49:53,140 --> 01:49:51,230
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2383
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:53,150
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2384
01:50:01,830 --> 01:49:56,570
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